Problem acquiring a V5 log book (for an old fire engine)
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Hi all, We are having a bit of trouble acquiring a replacement log book for an Airport Fire Engine (Carmichael Thornycroft Nubian Major )we have recently acquired.
Apparently in the 1990s the DVLA destroyed a lot of older records pertaining to certain vehicles registered. Consequently , they haven't got a record of our vehicles registration mark due to this and we are struggling to get documentary evidence to prove it's former identity.
Basically they want 1) an old V5 form ( the very reason we are applying for one is that we don't have it ! )
2) an old tax disc - none supplied with vehicle (operated on private/airport property)
3) Old MOTs (never needed one as it has always been exempt from one)
4) Old insurance certificates (none available)
Does anyone have any sensible ideas that could help us retain the original reg mark ?
TIA
Father Ted
Apparently in the 1990s the DVLA destroyed a lot of older records pertaining to certain vehicles registered. Consequently , they haven't got a record of our vehicles registration mark due to this and we are struggling to get documentary evidence to prove it's former identity.
Basically they want 1) an old V5 form ( the very reason we are applying for one is that we don't have it ! )
2) an old tax disc - none supplied with vehicle (operated on private/airport property)
3) Old MOTs (never needed one as it has always been exempt from one)
4) Old insurance certificates (none available)
Does anyone have any sensible ideas that could help us retain the original reg mark ?
TIA
Father Ted
I know that as a member of an Austin 7 club there is someone who deals with the DVLA sorting this stuff out. Is there an owners club for these fire engines? I would start there in getting things sorted out.
Guessing that you have all of the vehicles relevant numbers, (chassis, engine, body etc.). In fact would the "coachbuilders" have any details?
Guessing that you have all of the vehicles relevant numbers, (chassis, engine, body etc.). In fact would the "coachbuilders" have any details?
ted
you will probably struggle to keep the original number plate becasue you have no paper proof that the plate belongs to your truck.
at worse case the dvla will issue you a v5c with a age related number - not really a problem unless the original number was a nice one (even if the plate was nice it will have no value as it will be non transferable (assuming its never had a v5 before - it it has you may get it back, but its unlikly if they say there is no trace of it)
the dvla do a pack of forms you can get to fill in that explains all this very well, you just need to ring them and ask - i must say that every time ive rung them on matters like this they have been more than helpfull
you will probably struggle to keep the original number plate becasue you have no paper proof that the plate belongs to your truck.
at worse case the dvla will issue you a v5c with a age related number - not really a problem unless the original number was a nice one (even if the plate was nice it will have no value as it will be non transferable (assuming its never had a v5 before - it it has you may get it back, but its unlikly if they say there is no trace of it)
the dvla do a pack of forms you can get to fill in that explains all this very well, you just need to ring them and ask - i must say that every time ive rung them on matters like this they have been more than helpfull
Nubian - ooohhhh lovely!
Anyway, assuming you know the reg no, find out where it was issued and contact the council or county records office, some of them kept their records when they were taken over by DVLA and they might give you a certificated copy of their record.
Whether this method still works, but we used it in the 90s to regain the regs of vans we got out of a scrapyard with no documentation.
We then went through the owners club to get it submitted to DVLA.
Be quick if you're goin gto do it as there are rumours that DVLA are going to stop re-issuing numbers as it costs them more than they charge.
John
Anyway, assuming you know the reg no, find out where it was issued and contact the council or county records office, some of them kept their records when they were taken over by DVLA and they might give you a certificated copy of their record.
Whether this method still works, but we used it in the 90s to regain the regs of vans we got out of a scrapyard with no documentation.
We then went through the owners club to get it submitted to DVLA.
Be quick if you're goin gto do it as there are rumours that DVLA are going to stop re-issuing numbers as it costs them more than they charge.
John
cheers for the replies ,
We really want to keep the original plates if poss ....part of the vehicles history
We are onto the original manufacturers (conversion) i.e. Carmichaels of Worcester....they are providing lots of help
And as she was registered in Birmingham so a trip to that office will be in order methinks . The chap from the Thornycroft register had signed all our relevant documents but even that was no good
Will plough on !
We have bought two BTW ....double trouble
We really want to keep the original plates if poss ....part of the vehicles history
We are onto the original manufacturers (conversion) i.e. Carmichaels of Worcester....they are providing lots of help
And as she was registered in Birmingham so a trip to that office will be in order methinks . The chap from the Thornycroft register had signed all our relevant documents but even that was no good
Will plough on !
We have bought two BTW ....double trouble
Yep , they are certainly big machines !
will post a couple of piccies when i get chance ......they are 1970 built machines from Birmingham Airport
Basically , me and my mate grew up with them and we have now bought them to restore.
One is virtually ready to go , the other is a long-term resto project
Cummins VT 903 engine (turbo) in one and a normally aspirated 903 in the other .....they sound amazing !
will post a couple of piccies when i get chance ......they are 1970 built machines from Birmingham Airport
Basically , me and my mate grew up with them and we have now bought them to restore.
One is virtually ready to go , the other is a long-term resto project
Cummins VT 903 engine (turbo) in one and a normally aspirated 903 in the other .....they sound amazing !
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