Agreed value Insurance questions

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shouldbworking

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4,773 posts

218 months

Tuesday 28th August 2007
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So, my lancia restoration is coming to an end and its time to look at how best to insure it. As i understand it agreed value is the way to go, but my issue lies in what value to agree on.

Ordanarily this would be look at whats on the market and compare, but I havent seen a comparable one of my cars on the market in two years, in fact every example ive seen for sale has been a requires complete restoration job.

With this in mind how do myself and the insurers agree on a value? The bills for the restoration will total more than what the classic car magazines say its worth, but unless they have a source i dont (which I doubt), they havent seen one for sale either.

Bit tricky, especially considering there were less than 200 of the car in the country when they were new, coming on for 25 years ago.

Im trying to be realistic - its no 250 gto but at the same time I dont feel what the classic car mags list to be a realistic price for a top notch example.

crankedup

25,764 posts

249 months

Tuesday 28th August 2007
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Club source for a fair valuation?
Independant expert valuation?
Put copies of your restoration costs/invoices with your valuation and see how things progress from that point.


john2443

6,385 posts

217 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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I guess it varies between insurers, I use Footman James and if it's worth less than £10000 you just state a figure and I have always had it accepted, so you just need to decide on what you would have to pay for another one, or what it would cost to buy one and have it restored.

Over £10000 you have to a have a valuation from the club.

Agreed value is certainly the way to go, without it they will say 25 yr old car, less depreciation, now worth £50.

Also, classic insurance is very cheap. Mine is around £130 a year for limited mileage.

Edited by john2443 on Wednesday 29th August 10:18

crankedup

25,764 posts

249 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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I also use Footman James and have just insured my cars at agreed value at over 11,000 WITHOUT any club valuation certificate. Reckon they have just raised the bar on agreed values.

nc107

465 posts

214 months

Wednesday 29th August 2007
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Depending on what type of Lancia it is you can get a valuation from one of the various specialists that would be accepted by most Insurance companies. Omicron, for instance for most pre-76 cars. Try posting on the LMC forum (www.lanciamotorclub.co.uk), but state what it is you have and where you are - someone will give you definitive advice.
As to restoration costs outweighing value - yep, unless you found a stratos in the back yard for free, that will always be the way. I am restoring a Fanalone, and even with good ones now fetching towards £30k I doubt I will break even - but then that's not the point is it !!

shouldbworking

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4,773 posts

218 months

Thursday 30th August 2007
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Thanks for the advice, I will speak to my insurers and find out what they need.

Hopefully I wont be squeezed too much for wanting to use it as a daily car

aeropilot

36,221 posts

233 months

Thursday 30th August 2007
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shouldbworking said:
Hopefully I wont be squeezed too much for wanting to use it as a daily car
Aah.......you'll have a problem then.

Most, if not all agreed value policies won't cover as a daily driver, as they are limited mileage, limited usage, this is why they are significantly cheaper.






Balmoral Green

41,624 posts

254 months

Thursday 30th August 2007
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My current insurer, and the last one, didn't actually care what the real market value is/was, they agree to a sum, for a premium. Job done.

BG is probably worth about £10-£12K to the trade, if that. Private sale maybe £17K tops. I just spent £20K on BG though. Got an agreed value of £29K, no way is he worth that. Just covering my pocket if the worst happens.

Murph7355

38,709 posts

262 months

Thursday 30th August 2007
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Another Footman James customer here.

Just needs a valuation from a recognised club or specialist.

Unlimited miles on mine, but I insure three cars with them on one policy...

shouldbworking

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Thursday 30th August 2007
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Balmoral Green said:
My current insurer, and the last one, didn't actually care what the real market value is/was, they agree to a sum, for a premium. Job done.

BG is probably worth about £10-£12K to the trade, if that. Private sale maybe £17K tops. I just spent £20K on BG though. Got an agreed value of £29K, no way is he worth that. Just covering my pocket if the worst happens.
Blimey. didnt realise youd spent quite that much on it!

Is BG a daily driver for you? if so who is your insurer?

Balmoral Green

41,624 posts

254 months

Friday 31st August 2007
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shouldbworking said:
who is your insurer?
Currently Lancaster on a 7500 mile a year classic policy, used to be with RH on a 5000 mile a year classic policy. Will probably move back to RH as they have very good screen cover and in 2001 when I lost a screen, they paid the whole £1200 bill. Needed a rear screen recently, Lancaster would only pay up to £250 of the £1700 bill.

eccles

13,789 posts

228 months

Saturday 1st September 2007
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one word of caution with agreed value insurance. a friend of mine had a rather nice old VW Beetle on agreed value,his insurance company just agreed the value, and didn't require any proof or anything, but when it was stolen they asked for all sorts of proof, bills etc before they paid out. my mate didn't have these so they only paid market value on an average car.
so it might be worth reading the small print or actually asking your insurance company what they'll require should the worst happen and you need to make a claim.

shouldbworking

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4,773 posts

218 months

Thursday 20th September 2007
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Looks like adrian flux (my current insurer) wont do agreed value unless its with a limited mileage of 5000 or less.

Still, reading the replies a bit more carefully Footman James may be the ones to call

shouldbworking

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Friday 21st September 2007
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Just for information for other people in a similar position, Footman James will only do unlimited mileage agreed value if the car is over 30 years old. Otherwise the limit is 6000.

One more place to try (a-plan), otherwise itll have to be regular insurance and some valuations to support in the event of a claim

Panclan

881 posts

244 months

Sunday 23rd September 2007
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Try Firebond, they are brokers but deal in classic cars

lowdrag

13,025 posts

219 months

Tuesday 25th September 2007
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Agreed value is a tricky subject, as evidenced by the post above on the Beetle. I have an annual valuation done and keep track of what cars like mine are actually being sold for. I have a valuation from the Lynx specialist and have sent loads of photos of the car, front back and all quarters, under bonnet and inside the cockpit, even from underneath when it was on a ramp, and since the value is rising I keep it up to date each year. As above, if you aren't able to prove your case you won't get the agreed value. It isn't a fixed figure - you have to prove it is worth that money.

shouldbworking

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218 months

Tuesday 6th November 2007
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Another bump... I contacted AON today as they are the ones listed by the Lancia club and guess what. They dont do agreed value on everyday cars.

And yet, the person who recommended them to me has the same car as me, unlimited mileage including business use, mods on their car and agreed value insurance to boot, and all at a third of the premium they are proposing to charge me????

Either hes telling porkies or something else is up? Maybe they would offer it if the car was listed as a second car, presuming that the classic would not be his primary car? would it be legal to use it as a primary car in that circumstance?

Coco H

4,237 posts

243 months

Tuesday 6th November 2007
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I'd better check who mine is with - have one for the Jag and we just said the amount - they agreed it was reasonable and that was that

215cu

2,956 posts

216 months

Tuesday 6th November 2007
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Mine's with Lancaster and they asked for photographic proof for valuation.

So took a side on, front on, engine bay and interior.

Got top book from them, I agreed.

Job Done.

plasticpig

12,932 posts

231 months

Tuesday 6th November 2007
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shouldbworking said:
Another bump... I contacted AON today as they are the ones listed by the Lancia club and guess what. They dont do agreed value on everyday cars.

And yet, the person who recommended them to me has the same car as me, unlimited mileage including business use, mods on their car and agreed value insurance to boot, and all at a third of the premium they are proposing to charge me????

Either hes telling porkies or something else is up? Maybe they would offer it if the car was listed as a second car, presuming that the classic would not be his primary car? would it be legal to use it as a primary car in that circumstance?
I have business use + modifications + agreed value insurance on my Scimitar but it is listed as a second car and restricted to 7500 miles. A lot of insurers just seem to ask wether you have another car and dont ask about primary or secondary useage.