Jaguar 420 G bargain?

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klassiekerrally

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2,543 posts

261 months

Monday 10th April 2006
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This auction ended on eBay yesterday.
I think € 1520,- for a complete 420 G is dirt cheap and I'm a bit of a fan of the big Jaguars.
But what would it cost to restore this car to it's former glory, considering you would do all the work yourself?
I know there are only a couple of not to clear pictures, but I'd like to hear your opinion...

lanciachris

3,357 posts

247 months

Monday 10th April 2006
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Having read the JEC magazines series on restoring one of these, I wouldnt touch one with a bargepole unless I was an extremely experienced and commited restorer.

L100NYY

35,458 posts

249 months

Monday 10th April 2006
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My father had a MK10 Jaguar when he was about my age, I wish he still had it as it would be great to waft around in that!

I may be wrong on this one but I think that the MK10 is still the biggest car that Jaguar have made?




I've just realised that I have bought a Jaguar at about the same age as my Dad was when he had one!

I'm turning into my Dad!

dinkel

27,119 posts

264 months

Monday 10th April 2006
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10k for tis one . . .

. . . dunno if it's worth it. What I do know is a 420 is my kind of Jag over the Morse-hype thingy . . . Oh no, this one is

Pristine . . .



>> Edited by dinkel on Monday 10th April 10:59

klassiekerrally

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Monday 10th April 2006
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L100NYY said:
I may be wrong on this one but I think that the MK10 is still the biggest car that Jaguar have made?

I thought both were similar, except for the rear suspension. AFAIK the 420 has independent rear suspension and the Mk10 doesn't (Please correct me if I'm wrong)
Length does work doesn't it?
I really want one...
Now where's that big garage with a nice house standing next to it?

L100NYY

35,458 posts

249 months

Monday 10th April 2006
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My fathers one was white, just like the one above!

I've never really understood the difference between the 420 and the mk10, my father would probably know. Maybe! Have to agree on them being cooler than a Morse style Daimler/Jag, however my favourite Jag saloon is one of these -

MK1 3.4


I'll have mine in a faded dark green, with colour coded wire wheels, XK - head, upgraded brakes and a straight through exhaust!

Church of Noise

1,481 posts

243 months

Monday 10th April 2006
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L100NNY,

I'll second that, but make it a C-type head please.
Webers too perhaps?

Andrew Noakes

914 posts

246 months

Monday 10th April 2006
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klassiekerrally said:
I thought both were similar, except for the rear suspension. AFAIK the 420 has independent rear suspension and the Mk10 doesn't


Both have independent rear suspension, much the same as an E-type. Original was a 3.8, later a 4.2. The 420G is almost identical to a 4.2 MkX.

The live axle/IRS changeover was on the smaller Jaguars - the Mk2 had a live axle, the S-type and 420 (or Daimler Sovereign) had IRS.

klassiekerrally

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Monday 10th April 2006
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Andrew
Should have known that too...

aeropilot

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233 months

Monday 10th April 2006
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Andrew Noakes said:

Both have independent rear suspension, much the same as an E-type. Original was a 3.8, later a 4.2. The 420G is almost identical to a 4.2 MkX.


Getting really anorak, IIRC, a quick 'spot the difference' is that the later 420G had a clock in the middle of the top dash roll edge, whereas the earlier 3.8 MkX didn't.

Have fond memories of the next door neighbours Dark Blue MkX which he had back in the late 60'early 70's. I used to get the job of pressing the starter button if we went out in it. Aah the memories of that lovely Jag interior smell.....sadly something that disapears when one is restored.

>> Edited by aeropilot on Monday 10th April 19:55

klassiekerrally

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Monday 10th April 2006
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But what could a restoration cost?
Anyone got any experience with these cars?
Are parts easily available?
Can parts from other (later?) Jags be used without compromising originality?

Questions, questions...

L100NYY

35,458 posts

249 months

Wednesday 12th April 2006
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Church of Noise said:
L100NNY,

I'll second that, but make it a C-type head please.
Webers too perhaps?



I'll actually typed that first and then changed to the XK, not entirely sure why though!

jith

2,752 posts

221 months

Monday 15th May 2006
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aeropilot said:
Andrew Noakes said:

Both have independent rear suspension, much the same as an E-type. Original was a 3.8, later a 4.2. The 420G is almost identical to a 4.2 MkX.


Getting really anorak, IIRC, a quick 'spot the difference' is that the later 420G had a clock in the middle of the top dash roll edge, whereas the earlier 3.8 MkX didn't.

Have fond memories of the next door neighbours Dark Blue MkX which he had back in the late 60'early 70's. I used to get the job of pressing the starter button if we went out in it. Aah the memories of that lovely Jag interior smell.....sadly something that disapears when one is restored.

>> Edited by aeropilot on Monday 10th April 19:55


I'll get even more anorak!!!
The 420G was a rather more detailed upgrade than it looked.
The body was given the contemporary addition of a chrome side trim along the full length of the waistline. The dash roll top was also given a padded leather fascia as well as the clock you mentioned.
Mechanically the carb needles were changed and the distributor advance curve altered to give better low down torque; camshaft profile and valve clearances were wider and the engine block was externally webbed and stiffened as in the XJ6, and the mountings brought on to the subframe from the chassis legs. Spring and shocker ratings were also slightly stiffened and the steering box ratio was altered making it more sensitive.
Some 420Gs were fitted with a steering lock in the column as opposed to the central button. You could also specify a limousine version with an electrically operated central divide.
For such a big car it was surprisingly nimble and so comfortable: much roomier than a Rolls or Bentley.

TripleS

4,294 posts

248 months

Tuesday 16th May 2006
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Church of Noise said:
L100NNY,

I'll second that, but make it a C-type head please.
Webers too perhaps?



OK, but I think you would find them mostly in the wheel arch. Engine compartment is too narrow.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

TripleS

4,294 posts

248 months

Tuesday 16th May 2006
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klassiekerrally said:
L100NYY said:
I may be wrong on this one but I think that the MK10 is still the biggest car that Jaguar have made?

I thought both were similar, except for the rear suspension. AFAIK the 420 has independent rear suspension and the Mk10 doesn't (Please correct me if I'm wrong)
Length does work doesn't it?
I really want one...
Now where's that big garage with a nice house standing next to it?


420 and Mark 10 and 420G all had independent rear suspension.

Length of 420G was 16 feet 10 inches IIRC. Width = 6 feet 4 inches.

It's an awfully big car with (probably) a great deal of rusty bodyshell unless you're very lucky. Corrosion resistance was not a strong feature.

Best wishes all,
Dave.