DVLA Finally Sees Sense
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Doofus

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189 months

droopsnoot

13,578 posts

258 months

Wednesday 20th August
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Linked article said:
There will be no requirement to notify DVLA where a vehicle has been repaired or restored back to its original working standard, providing:
I didn't know there was ever a need to notify DVLA of that. I restored my car and just taxed and MOTed it when it was ready. I don't think I know anyone else who has finished a restoration and then notified the DVLA in any other way.

Doofus

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31,236 posts

189 months

Wednesday 20th August
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droopsnoot said:
Linked article said:
There will be no requirement to notify DVLA where a vehicle has been repaired or restored back to its original working standard, providing:
I didn't know there was ever a need to notify DVLA of that. I restored my car and just taxed and MOTed it when it was ready. I don't think I know anyone else who has finished a restoration and then notified the DVLA in any other way.
No, but there was a proposal to make it a requirement, which has now been dashed.

Riley Blue

22,445 posts

242 months

Wednesday 20th August
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No more Q plates?

woohoo


niva441

2,038 posts

247 months

Wednesday 20th August
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The follow on question is whether this can be applied retrospectively to restore the original plate to car that unfairly had a Q plate assigned (and how long this will take). Not much comfort to the guy who ended up scrapping his EV converted Mini over a wiring hole.

Doofus

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31,236 posts

189 months

Wednesday 20th August
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niva441 said:
The follow on question is whether this can be applied retrospectively to restore the original plate to car that unfairly had a Q plate assigned (and how long this will take).
I think that would be unlikely.

aeropilot

38,533 posts

243 months

Wednesday 20th August
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Good grief........common sense has finally prevailed, I need to go and have a lie down the shock is too much.


paul_c123

1,043 posts

9 months

Wednesday 20th August
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niva441 said:
The follow on question is whether this can be applied retrospectively to restore the original plate to car that unfairly had a Q plate assigned (and how long this will take). Not much comfort to the guy who ended up scrapping his EV converted Mini over a wiring hole.
There is probably more to that story - for example surely having a Q plate assigned, is a better option than scrapping a project?

Anyway, it seems quite sensible, the old rules as they were, were an easy trap to fall into and end up with a Q plate. How many restored/modified classic cars ended up on a Q?

Getragdogleg

9,467 posts

199 months

Wednesday 20th August
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/dvla-backs-clas...

I came here to post this, quite good news really.

Riley Blue

22,445 posts

242 months

Wednesday 20th August
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paul_c123 said:
niva441 said:
The follow on question is whether this can be applied retrospectively to restore the original plate to car that unfairly had a Q plate assigned (and how long this will take). Not much comfort to the guy who ended up scrapping his EV converted Mini over a wiring hole.
There is probably more to that story - for example surely having a Q plate assigned, is a better option than scrapping a project?

Anyway, it seems quite sensible, the old rules as they were, were an easy trap to fall into and end up with a Q plate. How many restored/modified classic cars ended up on a Q?
One is too many.

A friend has a Suffolk Jaguar SS that the DVLA insisted had to be on a Q plate even though others to the identical specification were not. It would be nice to think that this anomaly could now be resolved and the Q plate removed.

WPA

12,224 posts

130 months

Wednesday 20th August
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Cannot help but feel that this point below is a complete can of worms, way too many kit cars / specials will be keeping ID's they should not.


aeropilot

38,533 posts

243 months

Wednesday 20th August
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WPA said:
Cannot help but feel that this point below is a complete can of worms, way too many kit cars / specials will be keeping ID's they should not.

I think the can of worms was what DVLA created before, when they started to try and enforce what had been in place for decades but they largely ignored, and they have now realised its tick box, one size fits all rules are beyond what they can cope with in terms of monitoring and managing once they actually tried to do so.......




monkfish1

12,148 posts

240 months

Wednesday 20th August
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Getragdogleg said:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/dvla-backs-clas...

I came here to post this, quite good news really.
On the face of it, yes it is.

Indeed, seems to much like common sense, that it makes me think theres a catch. I guess we will soon see what "notify the DVLA" actually means.

As someone who is about to embark on a major project that would, technically need IVA, im rather interested to see if that can be avoided.

monkfish1

12,148 posts

240 months

Wednesday 20th August
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WPA said:
Cannot help but feel that this point below is a complete can of worms, way too many kit cars / specials will be keeping ID's they should not.

Why shouldnt they?

The current system is an artificial contruct of the DVLA.

Look at it another way, would you buy a car based solely on the fact its got a V5, or would you use diligence to ensure what you are buying is what it purports to be?

Yertis

19,206 posts

282 months

Thursday 21st August
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monkfish1 said:
WPA said:
Cannot help but feel that this point below is a complete can of worms, way too many kit cars / specials will be keeping ID's they should not.

Why shouldnt they?

The current system is an artificial contruct of the DVLA.

Look at it another way, would you buy a car based solely on the fact its got a V5, or would you use diligence to ensure what you are buying is what it purports to be?
With my tinfoil hat on, I think the catch lies here:

"vehicles that have been converted to electric will also be able to retain their original identity."

I must admit I didn't know they couldn't retain their identity. But anyway, that legal obstacle to our being compelled to go electric is now removed, if it ever was there.

aeropilot

38,533 posts

243 months

Thursday 21st August
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Yertis said:
monkfish1 said:
WPA said:
Cannot help but feel that this point below is a complete can of worms, way too many kit cars / specials will be keeping ID's they should not.

Why shouldnt they?

The current system is an artificial contruct of the DVLA.

Look at it another way, would you buy a car based solely on the fact its got a V5, or would you use diligence to ensure what you are buying is what it purports to be?
With my tinfoil hat on, I think the catch lies here:

"vehicles that have been converted to electric will also be able to retain their original identity."

I must admit I didn't know they couldn't retain their identity. But anyway, that legal obstacle to our being compelled to go electric is now removed, if it ever was there.
They couldn't retain original identity if structural mods were needed in the conversion, i.e to the bodyshell, which along with the change to EV meant you'd loose too many points under the DVLA system and thus would need to go through IVA and get a Q-plate and new allocated VIN etc.

As you say, I suspect the EV conversion issue has likely been a prime driver to this change of mind rather than any application of common sense.




PetrolTed

34,457 posts

319 months

Thursday 21st August
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monkfish1 said:
As someone who is about to embark on a major project that would, technically need IVA, im rather interested to see if that can be avoided.
Good point. I’ve got a project that in old terms will be “substantially altered” and would have required an IVA to ensure it’s roadworthy.

Maybe that will still be needed, but I get to keep the original plate?

restoman

968 posts

224 months

Thursday 21st August
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IVA is here to stay for radically modified vehicles.

OutInTheShed

11,760 posts

42 months

It will be interesting to see the guidance which is to be published on Tuesday.

Could turn into an amnesty of sorts for some kit cars which are currently a bit dubious in status?
The end of the Q plate?

It won't end well if it becomes a free-for-all for building frankencars and flogging them to the general public.

Doofus

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31,236 posts

189 months

OutInTheShed said:
It will be interesting to see the guidance which is to be published on Tuesday.

Could turn into an amnesty of sorts for some kit cars which are currently a bit dubious in status?
The end of the Q plate?

It won't end well if it becomes a free-for-all for building frankencars and flogging them to the general public.
It's just about registration numbers, not about IVA. There is already nothing to stop people building frankencars and flogging them to the general public