Stunning E Type Series 1
Discussion
ettore said:
Miserablegit said:
Not sure a colour change equates to it being ruined…
Ditto… this is a recent concern, never considered it a massive issue.If I was in the market for a fully restored E Type, this just wouldn't interest me unless I could get it at a price that would allow me to factor in a full repaint and retrim back to it's original colour scheme.
Back in the day we painted any colour we chose. Here was mine in 1987, looking resplendent in Ford Glacier Blue.
During the boom of 1991 virtually every car was painted Carmen Red because that was the colour that sold cars. Since the turn of this century attitudes have changed and "matching numbers" and original colour schemes have become important. I loved my car in blue but after thirty hard years a rebuild was needed so - and sorrowfully for me - she went back to Gunmetal Grey and red interior, her original factory colours. I still prefer the blue though.
When I bought it the car had been hand-painted in yellow, but before that had been maroon having started life in Gunmetal and latterly blue. In a similar way the model to own in 1991 was a V12, then the S1 4.2 was considered the car to have, but it seem nowadays that the earliest cars are the most value and the V12 is sinking without trace. I saw a primrose1968 coupé in immaculate condition sell for £37,000 not long ago. But this car in question was done to the owner's choice and taste and fair play to him, even if the dashboard and tunnel are redone in alloy, which was only current up to late 1963 and the gear lever knob is from a Moss box and not a Jaguar synchro one. The bonnet louvres are all wrong too, being of 1961 style. He's lost a lot of money (maybe that's his house in the background) but then probably he had the money to lose. You won't see another like it, that's for sure. It should be a wonderful car to own and drive though.
During the boom of 1991 virtually every car was painted Carmen Red because that was the colour that sold cars. Since the turn of this century attitudes have changed and "matching numbers" and original colour schemes have become important. I loved my car in blue but after thirty hard years a rebuild was needed so - and sorrowfully for me - she went back to Gunmetal Grey and red interior, her original factory colours. I still prefer the blue though.
When I bought it the car had been hand-painted in yellow, but before that had been maroon having started life in Gunmetal and latterly blue. In a similar way the model to own in 1991 was a V12, then the S1 4.2 was considered the car to have, but it seem nowadays that the earliest cars are the most value and the V12 is sinking without trace. I saw a primrose1968 coupé in immaculate condition sell for £37,000 not long ago. But this car in question was done to the owner's choice and taste and fair play to him, even if the dashboard and tunnel are redone in alloy, which was only current up to late 1963 and the gear lever knob is from a Moss box and not a Jaguar synchro one. The bonnet louvres are all wrong too, being of 1961 style. He's lost a lot of money (maybe that's his house in the background) but then probably he had the money to lose. You won't see another like it, that's for sure. It should be a wonderful car to own and drive though.
Edited by lowdrag on Thursday 27th July 05:58
cayman-black said:
Its not a fully matching numbers car ? wrong paint colour , not even a period colour !! , and early metal dash board , and incorrect interior colour ..............really a bit of a "bitsa" ,
The original colour and interior would have been perfect
Opalescent Golden Sand with Light Tan hide.
When I paid for a nut and bolt restoration I knew I would never get my money back - I had the car finished in a period correct colour but it was a colour from a different manufacturer. The restoration was for my benefit and sod anybody else - I guess this owner might have felt the same. I never intend to sell my car so I’ll never “realise” the loss.
I’d much rather see classics fully restored in “incorrect” colours rather than have them sitting as spares donors.
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I’d much rather see classics fully restored in “incorrect” colours rather than have them sitting as spares donors.
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This car has me looking at E types I personally love the colour scheme on this car and is one of the best I have seen advertised I think the price it sold for is a great buy as others are around £130-£150. Congratulations SirGD.
I wouldn't look at it if it was in the original colour how important are matching numbers I really do not know but let's say if it had matching numbers it would be £150k?
I have never driven one so I cannot comment on this but I have seen one advertised where the owner kept the car in a glass box in his office and for me, I would hardly drive it anyway its a thing of beauty to be admired.
Is this the price that people are willing to pay for these now though and the others are just dealers asking too much?
Car and classics site is free to buyers as well so that was the end price.
And finally for those in the know who are respected E-type specialists?
I wouldn't look at it if it was in the original colour how important are matching numbers I really do not know but let's say if it had matching numbers it would be £150k?
I have never driven one so I cannot comment on this but I have seen one advertised where the owner kept the car in a glass box in his office and for me, I would hardly drive it anyway its a thing of beauty to be admired.
Is this the price that people are willing to pay for these now though and the others are just dealers asking too much?
Car and classics site is free to buyers as well so that was the end price.
And finally for those in the know who are respected E-type specialists?
lowdrag said:
But this car in question was done to the owner's choice and taste and fair play to him, even if the dashboard and tunnel are redone in alloy, which was only current up to late 1963 and the gear lever knob is from a Moss box and not a Jaguar synchro one. The bonnet louvres are all wrong too, being of 1961 style. He's lost a lot of money (maybe that's his house in the background) but then probably he had the money to lose.
So, likely, he wanted the 'look' of an early S1 car.......but given the money he spent on the restoration (plus what ever he paid for the donor car) at the time it was done, how much more would a real early S1 have cost to get the look he wanted....given he'd have been looking for a rough early S1 car to start with?All seems a bit odd, and judging by the non-existent wear and condition, it doesn't look like its been driven much since finished either.
And for me, Golden Sand with London Tan or Red interior is a lovely colour combo on an E (or a Mk2 or S-Type)
cayman-black said:
Is this the price that people are willing to pay for these now though and the others are just dealers asking too much?
Car and classics site is free to buyers as well so that was the end price.
And finally for those in the know who are respected E-type specialists?
Oh, believe me there are E-type specialists on every corner in the world. Well, they say they are anyway. Did the seller ask for the changes to make the car look like an early car, including modifications that makes the car 1963, 1961 and 1962 depending where you look, or did the restorer do that completely on his own? As regards prices, my recent records show a 1966 coupé selling this year between ££60,000 to as high as $118,000. As I've said before, if you go back to a very early car prices are very different, with one coupé in the USA selling for $600,000 a few months back and a car owned by a friend receiving and offer of £750,000 Both of these are in the first 500 E-types made.Car and classics site is free to buyers as well so that was the end price.
And finally for those in the know who are respected E-type specialists?
TheLoraxxZeus said:
Period correctness aside this isn't an ugly car. The paint is fine and the interior is fine. If you want period correct that's fine
And no doubt the person that has bought it at the money they have has got a relative bargain, if how it is is what floats their boat.I've got no problem with someone buying a 'customised' E if it floats their boat.....but, as much as I love personalised 'hot rods'.....I'd want a car like this in its factory colours and close to spec as possible. I'm not an expert on E's but Lowdrag pointing out all the other changes made it even worse for me than just it just being a colour and trim change!
I'm not in the market for an E anyway, so its all rather inconsequential in the scheme of things.
Anorak time... The spoke pattern of the wheels is wrong for an S1. The inner layer of spokes should cross over each other 3 times, not 2. They're angled more which presumably gives more strength for acceleration and braking. Here's a picture of an unrestored S1 showing the correct pattern.
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