Mk1 Cortina points gap?

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bern

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I've been asked by a neighbour if I'll give their Mk1 Ford Cortina a once over. His old mechanic has sadly died and he wanted someone he trusted to look after it. I'm an enthusiastic amateur, not a mechanic, but feel confident doing most tasks.

However, one thing I have little experience of is points. One thing I'm trying to find out is what the points gap should be.

The car is a very late (1967) Mk1 Ford Cortina 1500 super deluxe automatic with the pre-xflow Kent engine.

Any help, pointers to resources, or tips would be very welcome. I have found a company called MEV Spares and the guy there has been very helpful in sourcing service items for me.

V8covin

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Plus8

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95 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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15 thou for points, 25 thou for spark plugs.

Cliftonite

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Friday 2nd June 2023
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Haynes Manual!

https://tinyurl.com/msfdwyrv

Others are available!


Athlon

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Friday 2nd June 2023
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Plus8 said:
15 thou for points, 25 thou for spark plugs.
This! Setting with a dwell meter is better but 15 thou will be on the numbers.

bern

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Friday 2nd June 2023
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Absolutely superb, thanks everyone. thumbup

GAjon

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Saturday 3rd June 2023
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One hacksaw blade wink

Gareth9702

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137 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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And cigarette paper to judge when the points open.

bern

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GAjon said:
One hacksaw blade wink
Perfect, I've got some of themhehe

I've managed to get a complete workshop manual in pdf format as well now!

anonymous-user

59 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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Bear in mind that as the points wear, a crater is formed on one side and a mountain on the other, making a perfect gap difficult to achieve without dressing the points back or replacement.

sideways man

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Saturday 3rd June 2023
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I’d definitely recommend the owner to dish the points and get a modern electronic system.
You get better starting, economy, drivability; there’s really not a downside apart from the cost of buying it.

bern

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sideways man said:
I’d definitely recommend the owner to dish the points and get a modern electronic system.
You get better starting, economy, drivability; there’s really not a downside apart from the cost of buying it.
When I got there, that's exactly what had been done! Anyone need points, condenser, and coil for a MK1 Cortinahehe

Starting issue was lack of fuel as it had been run dry and needed time to pull through. Everything else went ok apart from the oil filter which wouldn't budge so need to have round 2 on that when I get it over the pit. It looked like it hadn't been changed for a looooooooong time.

anonymous-user

59 months

Sunday 4th June 2023
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Oil filter on these engines is mounted direct to the external oil pump. Be aware that the later crossflow engine uses the same pump, but with a screw on cartridge filter....

I have two pre cross flows in my boat, the lefthand engine is a doddle to access the oil filter, but the r/h one means me be laid over the top of the engine to access the filter, guess which one was impossible to move with the pump in place?

stinkyspanner

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Sunday 4th June 2023
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It's about yay much as I recall

bern

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JB99 said:
Oil filter on these engines is mounted direct to the external oil pump. Be aware that the later crossflow engine uses the same pump, but with a screw on cartridge filter....

I have two pre cross flows in my boat, the lefthand engine is a doddle to access the oil filter, but the r/h one means me be laid over the top of the engine to access the filter, guess which one was impossible to move with the pump in place?
Interesting, thank you. This engine is pre cross flow with the direct mount oil filter. The company I ordered the parts from has supplied the more usual cartridge style filter. The work shop manual states that the direct mount style is held on by a single bolt from underneath the housing. I don't recall seeing any such bolt but need to have another look to confirm 100%. Can you confirm this is the case please? Frustratingly the figure in the manual doesn't show the bottom of the housing!

Regardless, it looks like I've been supplied the wrong filter for the pre cross flow / style of oil pump that is on the car.

Thanks again thumbup




bern

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Does this look like the filter you have on your boat?

https://www.sheridanmarine.com/product/watermota-p...


Old Merc

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Sunday 4th June 2023
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bern said:
GAjon said:
One hacksaw blade wink
Perfect, I've got some of themhehe

I've managed to get a complete workshop manual in pdf format as well now!
Life under the bonnet was so simple in those days. I think 15 thou points gap and 25 thou plugs would be OK for almost every vehicle.

stinkyspanner

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Old Merc said:
bern said:
GAjon said:
One hacksaw blade wink
Perfect, I've got some of themhehe

I've managed to get a complete workshop manual in pdf format as well now!
Life under the bonnet was so simple in those days. I think 15 thou points gap and 25 thou plugs would be OK for almost every vehicle.
True! When I were a boy mechanic doing points regularly I could set the gap by eye pretty much. Happy days

tr7v8

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Athlon said:
Plus8 said:
15 thou for points, 25 thou for spark plugs.
This! Setting with a dwell meter is better but 15 thou will be on the numbers.
Cigarette packet used to be the choice in my day. You'd always find one in the verge even if like me you didn't smoke.
Note that the later Motorcraft dizzy was a common replacement from the crossflow & that had a different points gap.

anonymous-user

59 months

Monday 5th June 2023
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bern said:
JB99 said:
Oil filter on these engines is mounted direct to the external oil pump. Be aware that the later crossflow engine uses the same pump, but with a screw on cartridge filter....

I have two pre cross flows in my boat, the lefthand engine is a doddle to access the oil filter, but the r/h one means me be laid over the top of the engine to access the filter, guess which one was impossible to move with the pump in place?
Interesting, thank you. This engine is pre cross flow with the direct mount oil filter. The company I ordered the parts from has supplied the more usual cartridge style filter. The work shop manual states that the direct mount style is held on by a single bolt from underneath the housing. I don't recall seeing any such bolt but need to have another look to confirm 100%. Can you confirm this is the case please? Frustratingly the figure in the manual doesn't show the bottom of the housing!

Regardless, it looks like I've been supplied the wrong filter for the pre cross flow / style of oil pump that is on the car.

Thanks again thumbup



I was caught that way as well!

The early filter is in a case and has a bolt up the centre from the bottom, the later type as I have on my boat engines, is a screw on cartridge type.

It does seem that there are differing lengths of screw on filters as well, just to add to the confusion.

The later style oil pump with the correct fitting for the spin on filter is not expensive via the likes of ebay.