John Dodd's 'The Beast' for sale

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Fattyfat

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3,306 posts

201 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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https://www.carandclassic.com/auctions/1972-john-d...

Bit of a curiosity but I remember hearing all the myths growing up. Wonder what it'll fetch?

AmyRichardson

1,388 posts

47 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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I love the footwell

Bit of rusty angle slicing into your shin? Then get a grinder and cut it out!

PositronicRay

27,343 posts

188 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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Fattyfat said:
https://www.carandclassic.com/auctions/1972-john-d...

Bit of a curiosity but I remember hearing all the myths growing up. Wonder what it'll fetch?
Princess Anne had one of those you know.

aeropilot

36,092 posts

232 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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He passed away a week before Christmas (age 90) so I wondered how long it would be before the family would transport it back from Spain to UK to put it up for sale.

Condi

17,735 posts

176 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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Engine alone is worth, what, £40k? Maybe?

aeropilot

36,092 posts

232 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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Condi said:
Engine alone is worth, what, £40k? Maybe?
Not even close.

You can buy an unrun and fully rebuilt, still in packing crate Meteor engine for less than £15k.


Hammersia

1,564 posts

20 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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I doubt it will fetch that much tbh. The article / ad is amusing and honest but the legailty seems a bit sketchy and I'm not sure many car shows would be that interested / able to exhibit it?

I will say 60K tops.

jeremyc

24,238 posts

289 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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It's ULEZ exempt ... I'm tempted. hehewink

DickyC

51,074 posts

203 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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aeropilot said:
Condi said:
Engine alone is worth, what, £40k? Maybe?
Not even close.

You can buy an unrun and fully rebuilt, still in packing crate Meteor engine for less than £15k.
The auction write-up says it has a Merlin.

Do I need to read further?

Stick Legs

5,604 posts

170 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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Difficult to put a value on it.

I’d have it purely to take to Goodwood FoS, imagine pulling up in ‘performance parking’ with it.

Problem is, once you’ve done that, and similar things, it’s kind of lived it’s usefulness.

A 2 summer car.

Another thing is, if you built it yourself then it’s got a sentimental value. But as a bought toy, even in a collection it’s an odd thing, not great to drive & not pretty.

I predict £35k.

kimducati

359 posts

169 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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DickyC said:
The auction write-up says it has a Merlin.

Do I need to read further?
The write up is wrong then.
The Merlin is / was always a supercharged aero engine, producing anything between 1000 - 1500 h.p. depending on mark.
The Meteor is the same basic engine, unsupercharged and meant for use in tanks and other military hardware. Was about 5-600 h.p. iirc.
Just sounds better to have a 'Merlin' engine fitted.
Kim

DickyC

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203 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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kimducati said:
DickyC said:
The auction write-up says it has a Merlin.

Do I need to read further?
The write up is wrong then.
The Merlin is / was always a supercharged aero engine, producing anything between 1000 - 1500 h.p. depending on mark.
The Meteor is the same basic engine, unsupercharged and meant for use in tanks and other military hardware. Was about 5-600 h.p. iirc.
Just sounds better to have a 'Merlin' engine fitted.
Kim
Yes, I know the difference between them. The auction blurb says that after the fire a Merlin was fitted.

I'll dig it out. They'd be keen to have the information right.

BananaFama

4,499 posts

84 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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Hammersia said:
I'm not sure many car shows would be that interested / able to exhibit it?
Why ?..It's an amazing thing ,many of us would like to see it again either static or in use .driving

sideways man

1,381 posts

142 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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There’s a video attached to the auction web page, and in it the son says it is a Merlin engine normally aspirated….

Yertis

18,498 posts

271 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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PositronicRay said:
Princess Anne had one of those you know.
hehe

Condi

17,735 posts

176 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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Stick Legs said:
Another thing is, if you built it yourself then it’s got a sentimental value. But as a bought toy, even in a collection it’s an odd thing, not great to drive & not pretty.

I predict £35k.
How many people say say they have a 27 litre V12 though? You're in a very select bunch of nutters.

DickyC

51,074 posts

203 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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DickyC said:
kimducati said:
DickyC said:
The auction write-up says it has a Merlin.

Do I need to read further?
The write up is wrong then.
The Merlin is / was always a supercharged aero engine, producing anything between 1000 - 1500 h.p. depending on mark.
The Meteor is the same basic engine, unsupercharged and meant for use in tanks and other military hardware. Was about 5-600 h.p. iirc.
Just sounds better to have a 'Merlin' engine fitted.
Kim
Yes, I know the difference between them. The auction blurb says that after the fire a Merlin was fitted.

I'll dig it out. They'd be keen to have the information right.
This is it:

If you're a serious bidder, you know all too well what The Beast is. However, we’re more than happy to retell the story. It started off as a bespoke rolling chassis built by Paul Jameson in 1966. It was his first road car build, so naturally he fitted a 27-litre Meteor engine from a tank. The chassis was made of box section, the suspension was a mix of Jaguar (rear) and Wolseley (front) and that was about it.

A chance meeting with Dodd, an automatic transmission specialist, would see him build a gearbox for it. Later, Jameson would sell the chassis to Dodd, who took the car one step further by bodying it. He sent the car to Fibre Glass Repairs - who built dragster bodies - and had them cloak it with a strange, Capri-esque body of outrageous, cartoonish proportions. And, because of the Meteor engine’s history, a Rolls-Royce grille, too.

Before Rolls-Royce’s lawyers could get too excited, the car was wrecked in a fire on its way back from Sweden. Dodd, however, saw this as an opportunity to improve rather than retire it. A new engine was sourced - the same 27-litre Merlin V12 that’s in it today, and the car was rebodied into what it wears now, complete with Rolls-Royce grille.

It's in Car & Classic. If it's wrong, let them know. I emailed them about a car they described as an AMG. It was a Mercedes with AMG bits. They thanked me and altered the description.

largelunchbox

586 posts

206 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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Would be an interesting conversation with your insurance company, any modifications? Err hold my beer

aeropilot

36,092 posts

232 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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DickyC said:
kimducati said:
DickyC said:
The auction write-up says it has a Merlin.

Do I need to read further?
The write up is wrong then.
The Merlin is / was always a supercharged aero engine, producing anything between 1000 - 1500 h.p. depending on mark.
The Meteor is the same basic engine, unsupercharged and meant for use in tanks and other military hardware. Was about 5-600 h.p. iirc.
Just sounds better to have a 'Merlin' engine fitted.
Kim
Yes, I know the difference between them. The auction blurb says that after the fire a Merlin was fitted.

I'll dig it out. They'd be keen to have the information right.
I'd bet on it being another Meteor that was put in it, not a Merlin.
They are very different engines in reality. For a start they rotate the opposite way, which was a necessary part of the re-design to make it work in a vehicle application for use in a tank. So, making a Merlin actually work in a car/vehicle application is not that viable, which is why all such so-called 'Merlin' engine cars thus built have used the Meteor.

Spare tyre

10,090 posts

135 months

Wednesday 1st March 2023
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In many respects it’s basically the same as my wife’s Kia picanto