New rules for assessing Classic car modifications
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If you are thinking of telling the DVLA about any changes you have made to your classic car, please be very careful about what you declare until you have read up on how the rules are currently being applied differently to how they used to be.
It now appears that following on from recent tightening up of rules regarding replacement VIN plates, they are clamping down on other very minor modifications.
It is probably that minor modifications will now mean you classic car has to have an IVA.
Cheers
It now appears that following on from recent tightening up of rules regarding replacement VIN plates, they are clamping down on other very minor modifications.
It is probably that minor modifications will now mean you classic car has to have an IVA.
Cheers
bitsilly said:
If you are thinking of telling the DVLA about any changes you have made to your classic car, please be very careful about what you declare until you have read up on how the rules are currently being applied differently to how they used to be.
It now appears that following on from recent tightening up of rules regarding replacement VIN plates, they are clamping down on other very minor modifications.
It is probably that minor modifications will now mean you classic car has to have an IVA.
Cheers
Can you give us a link so that we can see what's happening now that wasn't happening before?It now appears that following on from recent tightening up of rules regarding replacement VIN plates, they are clamping down on other very minor modifications.
It is probably that minor modifications will now mean you classic car has to have an IVA.
Cheers
I can't give link to changes but there's a PH post elsewhere re' current draconian DVLA approach and their outright aggressive position to any changes/upgrades and retrospective IVA compliance. The past two years has seen a near witch hunt approach to owners of Suffolk Sportscars beautifully engineered SS100's, plus owners of C-Type, D-Type and XKSS replicas...the majority of which are naturally designed and built to impeccable standards.
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v8250 said:
The past two years has seen a near witch hunt approach to owners of Suffolk Sportscars beautifully engineered SS100's, plus owners of C-Type, D-Type and XKSS replicas...
None of the vehicles you have described here are classic cars. They are all modern recreations and copies of classics. The regulations are quite clear in regard kitcars, rebodied vehicles and when IVA testing is required.I think what has happened to me is pretty much irrefutable proof that something is happening now that wasn't before.
If you agree that swopping an engine for a motor makes the Mini a kit car then perhaps we can agree to differ.
What do you want a link to, I don't think I'll be able to find anywhere where the DVLA confesses all.
If you agree that swopping an engine for a motor makes the Mini a kit car then perhaps we can agree to differ.
What do you want a link to, I don't think I'll be able to find anywhere where the DVLA confesses all.
v8250 said:
I can't give link to changes but there's a PH post elsewhere re' current draconian DVLA approach and their outright aggressive position to any changes/upgrades and retrospective IVA compliance. The past two years has seen a near witch hunt approach to owners of Suffolk Sportscars beautifully engineered SS100's, plus owners of C-Type, D-Type and XKSS replicas...the majority of which are naturally designed and built to impeccable standards.
I wondered why some Suffolk SS100s have age related registrations and others are on Q-plates;; a new approach by Moderator edit: no petitions
the DVLA explains it.
I'm concerned because I have a 1965 Riley One-Point-Five rolling shell into which a previous owner fitted an overdrive sometime in the 1980s, early enough (I hope!) to avoid any fuss with the DVLA. The problem is, I've no way of proving when it was done.
My other One-Point-Five, currently on the road, has after market seats that are not fitted to the original mounting holes...
I wonder if the FBHVC has a view on this?
I wouldn't have thought an overdrive should be considered a 'substantial' change. Anything from period is permissible too, e.g. Putting a Rover V8 into an MGB since there was an V8 version.
DVLA do not have an exhaustive list to be honest but since the capacity of the engine hasn't changed, I wouldn't have thought it necessary to even declare an added overdrive, all IMHO that is.
DVLA do not have an exhaustive list to be honest but since the capacity of the engine hasn't changed, I wouldn't have thought it necessary to even declare an added overdrive, all IMHO that is.
sixor8 said:
I wouldn't have thought an overdrive should be considered a 'substantial' change.
The problem is if a different gearbox support crossmember was reqd., in a re-positioned place, and a new crossmember was welded/or bolted in to the floorpan, as such that would fall foul of these DVLA rules and all points for the chassis would be lost. However, if this was the only mod, then all would still be OK, as you've not lost all 12 points, only the points for the chassis.bitsilly said:
I think what has happened to me is pretty much irrefutable proof that something is happening now that wasn't before.
If you agree that swopping an engine for a motor makes the Mini a kit car then perhaps we can agree to differ.
What do you want a link to, I don't think I'll be able to find anywhere where the DVLA confesses all.
Well, electrifying a Mini means it isn’t a genuine Mini anymore.If you agree that swopping an engine for a motor makes the Mini a kit car then perhaps we can agree to differ.
What do you want a link to, I don't think I'll be able to find anywhere where the DVLA confesses all.
Is it now registered as a washing machine?
Jader1973 said:
Well, electrifying a Mini means it isn’t a genuine Mini anymore.
Is it now registered as a washing machine?
No of course it isn’t a real mini any more, in the same way any mini with a wing mirror or spot lights isn’t a mini, or in fact any mini with any personalisation isn’t a mini, and feel free to slag it off until they come for your car, perhaps then you won’t feel so smug, but I for one will no longer be around to fight your corner. Is it now registered as a washing machine?
bitsilly said:
Jader1973 said:
Well, electrifying a Mini means it isn’t a genuine Mini anymore.
Is it now registered as a washing machine?
No of course it isn’t a real mini any more, in the same way any mini with a wing mirror or spot lights isn’t a mini, or in fact any mini with any personalisation isn’t a mini, and feel free to slag it off until they come for your car, perhaps then you won’t feel so smug, but I for one will no longer be around to fight your corner. Is it now registered as a washing machine?
Jader1973 said:
Well, electrifying a Mini means it isn’t a genuine Mini anymore.
Is it now registered as a washing machine?
No of course it isn’t a real mini any more, in the same way any mini with a wing mirror or spot lights isn’t a mini, or in fact any mini with any personalisation isn’t a mini!Is it now registered as a washing machine?
And feel free to slag it off, until they come for your car, perhaps then you won’t feel so smug, but I for one will no longer be around to fight your corner.
Jader1973 said:
bitsilly said:
I think what has happened to me is pretty much irrefutable proof that something is happening now that wasn't before.
If you agree that swopping an engine for a motor makes the Mini a kit car then perhaps we can agree to differ.
What do you want a link to, I don't think I'll be able to find anywhere where the DVLA confesses all.
Well, electrifying a Mini means it isn’t a genuine Mini anymore.If you agree that swopping an engine for a motor makes the Mini a kit car then perhaps we can agree to differ.
What do you want a link to, I don't think I'll be able to find anywhere where the DVLA confesses all.
Is it now registered as a washing machine?
dising classic cars by converting them to EVs, they don’t seem all that bad.People who swap smaller mini engines for larger ones, supercharge them or otherwise tune them don’t seem to encounter these issues.
It was this bit,
"It now appears that following on from recent tightening up of rules regarding replacement VIN plates, they are clamping down on other very minor modifications.
It is probably that minor modifications will now mean you classic car has to have an IVA."
That pricked my interest but I'll enquire further elsewhere.
"It now appears that following on from recent tightening up of rules regarding replacement VIN plates, they are clamping down on other very minor modifications.
It is probably that minor modifications will now mean you classic car has to have an IVA."
That pricked my interest but I'll enquire further elsewhere.
Regarding changing the engine for an electric motor, that changes a lot actually.
Firstly, as far as I know, any structural changes to a monocoque shell are considered 'of interest' to the DVLA. Engine swaps, particularly of a different type, definitely.
This is nothing new.
I would say changing an A series engine out for a complete electric drivetrain would certainly be considered a major change, and in their eyes, very worthy of examination.
It's certainly not like taking a 998 out and putting a 1275 in.
Firstly, as far as I know, any structural changes to a monocoque shell are considered 'of interest' to the DVLA. Engine swaps, particularly of a different type, definitely.
This is nothing new.
I would say changing an A series engine out for a complete electric drivetrain would certainly be considered a major change, and in their eyes, very worthy of examination.
It's certainly not like taking a 998 out and putting a 1275 in.
Yep, the whole point of the regulations was to cover people making extream modifications like making them EVs.
Swapping from a 54hp 998cc engine to a 69hp 1275cc of the same type is going to be a more or less bolt in swap that can use the standard fuel/clutch/brake system, maybe with some bolt on upgrades from the same doner as the engine. As it's just bolt in the risk of someone making the car unsafe and a danger to the public/other road users by doing it are very low.
Swapping to an electic motor/Lithium battery pack/wiring is likely to give a much bigger power hike and going outside the terratory covered by the original brakes/needing cutting of the core chassis/monocoque, etc. While this can be done perfectly safely there's a LOT of scope for someone else to mess it up. As such it makes sense that the fewer and more 'bolt-on' the changes the more you can assume they have been done competently and the more/more advanced the changes the better off everyone is having someone check it's been done safely.
Remember the other option is the more German route, where you can have a classic car but it basically has to be stock and modifications, certainly to the extent permitted in the UK are just verboten.
Swapping from a 54hp 998cc engine to a 69hp 1275cc of the same type is going to be a more or less bolt in swap that can use the standard fuel/clutch/brake system, maybe with some bolt on upgrades from the same doner as the engine. As it's just bolt in the risk of someone making the car unsafe and a danger to the public/other road users by doing it are very low.
Swapping to an electic motor/Lithium battery pack/wiring is likely to give a much bigger power hike and going outside the terratory covered by the original brakes/needing cutting of the core chassis/monocoque, etc. While this can be done perfectly safely there's a LOT of scope for someone else to mess it up. As such it makes sense that the fewer and more 'bolt-on' the changes the more you can assume they have been done competently and the more/more advanced the changes the better off everyone is having someone check it's been done safely.
Remember the other option is the more German route, where you can have a classic car but it basically has to be stock and modifications, certainly to the extent permitted in the UK are just verboten.
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