Cobra-Ferrari Wars
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Steve Zodiac

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314 posts

172 months

Sunday 27th May 2012
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Heads up
BBC4 now (8pm 27/5)

bebee

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254 months

Sunday 27th May 2012
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saladin

296 posts

194 months

Sunday 27th May 2012
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Best hours worth of televisual entertainment in a long time cloud9

Paul Dishman

5,385 posts

266 months

Sunday 27th May 2012
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saladin said:
Best hours worth of televisual entertainment in a long time cloud9
Really? Did you get the impression that they said the Cobra coupe won the 1964 Le Mans?

deltashad

6,731 posts

226 months

Sunday 27th May 2012
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I think it may have beat Ferrari

gareth_r

6,722 posts

266 months

Sunday 27th May 2012
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Repeated tomorrow

Monday 28 May 2012 23:25

Shaw Tarse

31,886 posts

232 months

Sunday 27th May 2012
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gareth_r said:
Repeated tomorrow

Monday 28 May 2012 23:25
Thanks!

lotus72

777 posts

295 months

Sunday 27th May 2012
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is this a new preogramme, or did I first see this about 5 years ago??

DonkeyApple

69,557 posts

198 months

Sunday 27th May 2012
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Thanks for the heads up. Really enjoyed that. Lots I never knew.

Knew some of those guys from the BRDC as a kid.

mgeee

166 posts

183 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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lotus72 said:
is this a new preogramme, or did I first see this about 5 years ago??
I was thinking that too, but non of it seemed to ring bells apart from the title...... I might be mixed up with the Jaguar Mercedes Wars one?

Roy C

4,213 posts

313 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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lotus72 said:
is this a new programme, or did I first see this about 5 years ago??
It's a few years old, made by Spirit Level Films. This version has BBC Scotland tagged on the credits and the voiceover is by Robbie Coltrane. There's a more comprehensive DVD version voiced by Michael Moloney. It also sometimes goes under the alternative title - ‘The Snake and the Stallion’.


Edited by Roy C on Monday 28th May 07:46

lotus72

777 posts

295 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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No, it's defintely an old programme.

gareth_r

6,722 posts

266 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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I think the year in the end titles was MMII.

LotusOmega375D

9,313 posts

182 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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I doubt that Enzo was particularly livid after the 1964 Le Mans race. After all his cars finished 1-2-3!

I think the later Ford GT40 campaigns would have been rather harder for the Commendatore to stomach.




greeneggsnsam

648 posts

185 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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Great programme, nice to see some shots of the competing Spitfires too smile

Old Merc

3,807 posts

196 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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Great program,why wasn't it advertised in Autosport and the rest ? This has happened before,very interesting motor sport programs tucked away on BBC4,I just noticed it by chance.

graemel

7,225 posts

246 months

Monday 28th May 2012
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Just watched it on BBC I Player. Fantastic

RESSE

6,095 posts

250 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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Watched it again last night - fantastic stuff about Pete Brock and I learnt a great deal more about the Ford/Ferrari non-buyout.


LotusOmega375D

9,313 posts

182 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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There wasn't a great deal about the Ferrari side of things though was there, apart from some narrative exaggerations? They made out that Ferrari had already been making cars for 30-odd years. By the time Shelby and AC started development in 1961, Ferrari had been in the car-making business for just 14 years. Nowadays that would be a bit like making out that Pagani is an old-established supercar maker. They also kept saying that the Cobra's AC Ace chassis was 20 years old, yet the Ace was introduced in 1953 (and not during the war in 1941!), which would make it 8 years old.

What did interest me though was that Shelby himself acknowledged the involvement of AC. I had heard stories of him pretty much airbrushing them out of the vehicle's history, but that is clearly not the case. In fact the British influence on development of the car was quite evident, even if much of this work was carried out in California.

Finally, it wasn't mentioned in the film that the Ford Motor Company themselves fielded a team of Prototype class GT40s for the first time in that 1964 race. They all failed early on, so Shelby American's Cobra Daytona victory in the GT class would have been bitter-sweet for them.

The Surveyor

7,624 posts

266 months

Tuesday 29th May 2012
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It was a good programme but they certainly glossed over quite a bit of detail, as you would expect in a limited-time programme.

You get a much better picture of the individuals and the history from both Ford and Ferrari in the book 'Go like Hell'. It includes much more detail about the GT40 development and how Ferrari were struggling with their P2/P3. Also the bitter-sweet attepted dead-heat finish that ended up with Ken Miles missing out on his much deserved Le Mans victory before being killed in testing. It's a great book.

Paul