Ultra rare mk 1 Escort at upcoming auction
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Maxdecel said:
Withdrawn 
Was looking forward to see the outcome on that one.
Must've changed his mind ? - https://www.handh.co.uk/auction/lot/lot-122---1969... - Sold for £58,700 Was looking forward to see the outcome on that one.Borehammotorworks.com
"Boreham Motorworks has been entrusted to continue one of Ford Motor Company’s most historically significant road, race and rally icons, creating blueprint accurate, period sympathetic vehicles with continuation VIN numbers. Today marks the return of the Ford Escort MK1".
"Boreham Motorworks has been entrusted to continue one of Ford Motor Company’s most historically significant road, race and rally icons, creating blueprint accurate, period sympathetic vehicles with continuation VIN numbers. Today marks the return of the Ford Escort MK1".
offthehook said:
Borehammotorworks.com
"Boreham Motorworks has been entrusted to continue one of Ford Motor Company’s most historically significant road, race and rally icons, creating blueprint accurate, period sympathetic vehicles with continuation VIN numbers. Today marks the return of the Ford Escort MK1".
More questions than answers."Boreham Motorworks has been entrusted to continue one of Ford Motor Company’s most historically significant road, race and rally icons, creating blueprint accurate, period sympathetic vehicles with continuation VIN numbers. Today marks the return of the Ford Escort MK1".
Off road use only?
ICE ban just around the corner.
Continuation VIN numbers? Not really possible on an Escort.
RS200 can be tied down to individual cars but that's in addition to the real VIN number. A real VIN number is 17 digits and contains World Manufacturer ID, model year or month & year of actual build, etc.
You couldn't walk up to, for example, the final Capri in Ford of Britains heritage collection and just add 1 to the VIN number and then slap that 17 digit VIN on a new build 2024 Capri.
However none of that really matters if the new cars are track only ?
Interesting, exciting news though!
gt40steve said:
offthehook said:
Borehammotorworks.com
"Boreham Motorworks has been entrusted to continue one of Ford Motor Company’s most historically significant road, race and rally icons, creating blueprint accurate, period sympathetic vehicles with continuation VIN numbers. Today marks the return of the Ford Escort MK1".
More questions than answers."Boreham Motorworks has been entrusted to continue one of Ford Motor Company’s most historically significant road, race and rally icons, creating blueprint accurate, period sympathetic vehicles with continuation VIN numbers. Today marks the return of the Ford Escort MK1".
Off road use only?
ICE ban just around the corner.
Continuation VIN numbers? Not really possible on an Escort.
RS200 can be tied down to individual cars but that's in addition to the real VIN number. A real VIN number is 17 digits and contains World Manufacturer ID, model year or month & year of actual build, etc.
You couldn't walk up to, for example, the final Capri in Ford of Britains heritage collection and just add 1 to the VIN number and then slap that 17 digit VIN on a new build 2024 Capri.
However none of that really matters if the new cars are track only ?
Interesting, exciting news though!
The RS200 is even more confusing, as what demand is there for that for competition....? and the whole ethos of the RS200 was they built no more than the 200 needed for Grp.B...?
aeropilot said:
gt40steve said:
offthehook said:
Borehammotorworks.com
"Boreham Motorworks has been entrusted to continue one of Ford Motor Company’s most historically significant road, race and rally icons, creating blueprint accurate, period sympathetic vehicles with continuation VIN numbers. Today marks the return of the Ford Escort MK1".
More questions than answers."Boreham Motorworks has been entrusted to continue one of Ford Motor Company’s most historically significant road, race and rally icons, creating blueprint accurate, period sympathetic vehicles with continuation VIN numbers. Today marks the return of the Ford Escort MK1".
Off road use only?
ICE ban just around the corner.
Continuation VIN numbers? Not really possible on an Escort.
RS200 can be tied down to individual cars but that's in addition to the real VIN number. A real VIN number is 17 digits and contains World Manufacturer ID, model year or month & year of actual build, etc.
You couldn't walk up to, for example, the final Capri in Ford of Britains heritage collection and just add 1 to the VIN number and then slap that 17 digit VIN on a new build 2024 Capri.
However none of that really matters if the new cars are track only ?
Interesting, exciting news though!
The RS200 is even more confusing, as what demand is there for that for competition....? and the whole ethos of the RS200 was they built no more than the 200 needed for Grp.B...?
It is the company behind the resurrection of the Alan Mann Racing name.
There is big money in nostalgia as we all know.
They have clearly spotted what MST are doing with the Escorts and 6r4 and thought that getting to use the "Ford Approved" licensing tag will help trump those cars.
As mentioned if they list Ford as manufacturer they will have to meet current type approval, so my guess is they will use a work around name in the V5 description and the same with the 17 digit VIN (you can use any combination you like as long as it is not already in the dvla database) and then go the SVA route for approval of each example, the same as MST.
I doubt they will be pure toolroom copies, again there will be work arounds, it is even hinted in the blurb. The escorts I imagine will be Magnum panels welded together the same as MST do.
Ford are simply selling their name for this, as they don't get a bean from the MST versions.
I doubt any examples currently even exist, it is a fishing exercise to see if the market is there.
CNC did the same with the Rouse name to try to sell new build RS500s, I think their sole version has yet to be finished.
There is big money in nostalgia as we all know.
They have clearly spotted what MST are doing with the Escorts and 6r4 and thought that getting to use the "Ford Approved" licensing tag will help trump those cars.
As mentioned if they list Ford as manufacturer they will have to meet current type approval, so my guess is they will use a work around name in the V5 description and the same with the 17 digit VIN (you can use any combination you like as long as it is not already in the dvla database) and then go the SVA route for approval of each example, the same as MST.
I doubt they will be pure toolroom copies, again there will be work arounds, it is even hinted in the blurb. The escorts I imagine will be Magnum panels welded together the same as MST do.
Ford are simply selling their name for this, as they don't get a bean from the MST versions.
I doubt any examples currently even exist, it is a fishing exercise to see if the market is there.
CNC did the same with the Rouse name to try to sell new build RS500s, I think their sole version has yet to be finished.
gt40steve said:
aeropilot said:
gt40steve said:
offthehook said:
Borehammotorworks.com
"Boreham Motorworks has been entrusted to continue one of Ford Motor Company’s most historically significant road, race and rally icons, creating blueprint accurate, period sympathetic vehicles with continuation VIN numbers. Today marks the return of the Ford Escort MK1".
More questions than answers."Boreham Motorworks has been entrusted to continue one of Ford Motor Company’s most historically significant road, race and rally icons, creating blueprint accurate, period sympathetic vehicles with continuation VIN numbers. Today marks the return of the Ford Escort MK1".
Off road use only?
ICE ban just around the corner.
Continuation VIN numbers? Not really possible on an Escort.
RS200 can be tied down to individual cars but that's in addition to the real VIN number. A real VIN number is 17 digits and contains World Manufacturer ID, model year or month & year of actual build, etc.
You couldn't walk up to, for example, the final Capri in Ford of Britains heritage collection and just add 1 to the VIN number and then slap that 17 digit VIN on a new build 2024 Capri.
However none of that really matters if the new cars are track only ?
Interesting, exciting news though!
The RS200 is even more confusing, as what demand is there for that for competition....? and the whole ethos of the RS200 was they built no more than the 200 needed for Grp.B...?
As would runs of licenced bodyshell supply (to satisfy DVLA etc) for 2-dr Mk.1 Cortina, Mk.1 & Mk.2 Escort, and 3-dr Cossie perhaps. With the amount of Lotus-Cortina's being used in historic racing, supplies of good enough 2-dr shells are going to dry up sooner or later, when one is rolled into a ball at Goodwood or elsewhere, so a Ford licenced replacement shell for the Cortina as well as Escorts would make sense, just like Dynacorn supply Ford licenced bodyshell's for the Ford Mustang over in the USA.
Muzzer79 said:
gt40steve said:
More questions than answers.
ICE ban just around the corner.
2035 is the current target for the ban on sale of new ICE cars. Labour have pledged to move this to 2030, but it's still 6 years away.ICE ban just around the corner.
There are no plans to ban second hand ICE cars.
gt40steve said:
PAUL.S. said:
It is the company behind the resurrection of the Alan Mann Racing name.
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I don't think that's correct. The website may give that impression. Alan Mann Racing was reformed in 2004 by Alan himself and has been busy in historic motorsport ever since, now run by his sons..
https://drvnautomotivegroup.com/brands/alan-mann-r...
DRVN is behind this Boreham motorworks as well
Separate thread running here incidentally
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Meanwhile, not much information on this:
https://www.carandclassic.com/l/C1744143
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Meanwhile, not much information on this:
https://www.carandclassic.com/l/C1744143
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Meanwhile, not much information on this:
https://www.carandclassic.com/l/C1744143
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I rather like that.
I presume we have all seen the Black HSR that's in General gassing, very rare machine. I see its at St Andrew's autos, he also had a Very nice Mk 1 Twink, both cars are for sale at 130k between them !!!!
Meanwhile, not much information on this:
https://www.carandclassic.com/l/C1744143
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I rather like that.
I presume we have all seen the Black HSR that's in General gassing, very rare machine. I see its at St Andrew's autos, he also had a Very nice Mk 1 Twink, both cars are for sale at 130k between them !!!!
Mark A S said:
I presume we have all seen the Black HSR that's in General gassing, very rare machine. I see its at St Andrew's autos, he also had a Very nice Mk 1 Twink, both cars are for sale at 130k between them !!!!
The Twink is an Australian one, so not a proper one 
The HSR is lovely, that reg number rings a bell, and I'm sure I remember that car from back in the early 90's in the formative years of SLOC, when some of us had a very close rapport with some of the guys from the Droopsnoot Group (largely as a result of a good few hours of banter over many pints together in the bar at the NEC over the show weekend
)Maxdecel said:
Legacywr said:
Big money.
I thought the same, wonder if a genuine buyer didn't raise the funds? Reckon that's a good return.generationx said:
Back in the 80s I had the use of my friend’s 1300GT for a while when I was suddenly carless ( first RS2000 Mk2 was written off by an errant BMW 323i overtaking and hitting me head on ) The 1300GT was a lovely thing - he’d only bought it as it was so cheap and in great nick. Used to get left behind by the 2-litre Scorts but it used to keep up with another mate’s Alfa GT Junior. Now they’d both be £20k upwards - budget buys back then
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