Cars and their designers
Discussion
Turbobanana said:
PomBstard said:
Harm Lagaay is still only 77 so could probably squeeze into a Z1, 968, 993, Boxster or Cayenne. But I’m guessing would probably just fall into a Porsche CGT and, if he couldn’t get out, just stay there 
Would we consider a Cayenne a classic? Or a Boxster, perhaps to a lesser extent?PomBstard said:
Fair point - an early Boxster is closing in on 30 years old, so I’d say it is. An early Cayenne is too new, but was included just to show breadth. Noted that I haven’t included anything from his time with Ford or from his initial stint with Porsche - not sure he’s credited with the 924
I think Boxsters are still banger territory at the moment aren’t they? Like mk1 TTs. Just on the cusp of classic-dom.
Mellow Yellow said:
Giorgetto Giugiaro...I shan't list them all.
In all seriousness, I wonder what it's like to be Giorgetto Giugiaro out for a walk, seeing a VW Golf (Mk1) or Fiat Punto go past and thinking, "I designed that".I realise it must be the same for an architect walking past one of their creations, but cars are so much more high profile and numerous.
Do you suppose he says, "Ooh, I should have done that differently"?
Not cars, sadly, but I've done a few high profile logos that I see around and about nearly every day. Mostly feel quite proud of them, even thirty years later. What irks me is when the client meddles and screws about with them afterwards. But mostly they stay unchanged, long after I've left the scene.
I suspect the thing with cars is that they're more of a team effort and engineers saying "well that won't work".
I suspect the thing with cars is that they're more of a team effort and engineers saying "well that won't work".
Super Sonic said:
RATATTAK said:
Depends what you mean by classic.
Exactly this.Well I think Ivor Walklett's designs (I've lost count of them) can be called 'classic' in respect of the vast array of racing and road (inc fully built, not just 'kit' cars, inc one crash testing at MIRA, inc the G21 which obtained one of the best impact assessment results at the time.
But more to the point, how many are still involved and totally immersed at his age (he's 90 or will be this year, and remains at the helm of DARE who continue to make the G4 to order).
I think Colin Chapman's view of Ginetta when they launched the G4 at the January 1961 Racing Car Show tells you everything you need to know.
Ginetta had a small stand with room only for one complete car, but with a bit of ingenuity they got a G4 bodyshell perched at a 45deg angle as well.
Half way through the period of the show they had received masses of interest, one of who was Albrect Mantzel, the DKW tuning specialist who wanted a supply of the cars to Germany. Colin Chapman (whose Lotus stand with the Seven with within shouting distance) ambled over to see what the fuss was about? That day Chapman, being the wily ol' fox that he was, decided he needed to see off this new upstart - he reduced the Seven 'kit' by a £100, bringing it down to the same price of the Ginetta G4.
Crafty plan, but it didn't work. The rest is history. A long one.
edit (spelling error - I hate making them!)
Edited by dandarez on Tuesday 11th June 22:17
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