Fast Coupes Of The Eighties And Nineties

Fast Coupes Of The Eighties And Nineties

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Deranged Rover

3,491 posts

77 months

Thursday 20th June
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trevalvole said:
On the subject of Opels, does the Monza count, even though it was originally introduced in the 70s?



Photo credit Kieran White https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/deed.e...
Always been a huge fan of the Monza and still think is about the only car that looks best in white (with black alloys, obviously)

Puddenchucker

4,200 posts

221 months

Thursday 20th June
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Mazda MX-3, with it's 1.8 V6:


trevalvole

1,124 posts

36 months

Thursday 20th June
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Puddenchucker said:
There was also the Toyota Celica which was available as both 2 & 3 door.

It would have to be the 3 door Celica Supra with the straight six for me. Also the A80 Supra Turbo, though perhaps that's a bit exotic for this thread.

Turbobanana

6,436 posts

204 months

Thursday 20th June
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Puddenchucker said:
Or the Simca Matra Bagheera, if you wanted to go left-field...

Is that venturing a bit too far into the realm of (admittedly slow) sports cars, rather than coupes? Ditto the earlier-mentioned Renault GTA / Alpine (albeit a lot faster).

GTRene

17,024 posts

227 months

Thursday 20th June
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said:
What is a coupe car
A coupe is a type of passenger car that is typically defined as a 2-door vehicle with a closed, sloping roof and a three-box body for the engine and passenger compartment. Coupes are often characterized by their sporty and stylish design, with a body built closer to the ground and smooth lines from the roof to the rear of the car.

Key Features:

2-door design
Closed, sloping roof
Three-box body for engine and passenger compartment
Interior space under 33 cubic feet
Sporty and stylish design
Body built closer to the ground with smooth lines
Debate:

There is some debate surrounding whether a coupe must have two doors for passenger egress or whether cars with four doors can also be considered coupes. However, the Society of Automotive Engineers defines a coupe as a car with an interior space of less than 33 cubic feet.

Examples:

Mazda RX-8
Mercedes-Benz CLS-Class
Rover P5 Coupé
In summary, a coupe car is a 2-door passenger car with a closed, sloping roof and a three-box body for the engine and passenger compartment, characterized by its sporty and stylish design.

trevalvole

1,124 posts

36 months

Thursday 20th June
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GTRene said:
What is a coupe car
A coupe is a type of passenger car that is typically defined as a 2-door vehicle with a closed, sloping roof and a three-box body for the engine and passenger compartment.
In the UK, common usage includes those with a third, hatchback, door, which as a result, also don't have three-box bodies. To exclude them, would be to exclude probably a majority of the cars we call coupes. Given the mention of cubic feet in your definition, I suspect it is of American origin.

That's all I have to say on the subject, as I would rather enthuse about the cars than discuss the rules.

Puddenchucker

4,200 posts

221 months

Thursday 20th June
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I wonder if there are any of these left?

GTRene

17,024 posts

227 months

Thursday 20th June
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trevalvole said:
GTRene said:
What is a coupe car
A coupe is a type of passenger car that is typically defined as a 2-door vehicle with a closed, sloping roof and a three-box body for the engine and passenger compartment.
In the UK, common usage includes those with a third, hatchback, door, which as a result, also don't have three-box bodies. To exclude them, would be to exclude probably a majority of the cars we call coupes. Given the mention of cubic feet in your definition, I suspect it is of American origin.

That's all I have to say on the subject, as I would rather enthuse about the cars than discuss the rules.
yeah, it ws AI generated, that come's in automatically, it gave to much info indeed.

I guess the most common is the 2-3 door with sloping roof can be called a coupe, or perhaps also if the car manufacturer calls a car Coupe in its title?

but then say a BMW M coupe (Z3) does not have a really sloping roof and the rear as a Hatch... BMW M Hatch hehe so yeah, a bit confusing.

Cambs_Stuart

2,960 posts

87 months

Thursday 20th June
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Anyone mentioned the Subaru SVX yet?





https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a46972858/199...

Stick Legs

5,245 posts

168 months

Thursday 20th June
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GTRene said:
trevalvole said:
GTRene said:
What is a coupe car
A coupe is a type of passenger car that is typically defined as a 2-door vehicle with a closed, sloping roof and a three-box body for the engine and passenger compartment.
In the UK, common usage includes those with a third, hatchback, door, which as a result, also don't have three-box bodies. To exclude them, would be to exclude probably a majority of the cars we call coupes. Given the mention of cubic feet in your definition, I suspect it is of American origin.

That's all I have to say on the subject, as I would rather enthuse about the cars than discuss the rules.
yeah, it ws AI generated, that come's in automatically, it gave to much info indeed.

I guess the most common is the 2-3 door with sloping roof can be called a coupe, or perhaps also if the car manufacturer calls a car Coupe in its title?

but then say a BMW M coupe (Z3) does not have a really sloping roof and the rear as a Hatch... BMW M Hatch hehe so yeah, a bit confusing.
My take, from an earlier post about TVR not being on the list:

Stick Legs said:
There is mention of the Tasmin earlier.

Firstly I think that TVR are not really in the 'coupe' genre. They are out & out sports cars, coupe implies something more akin to a 2 door executive saloon, something you could still use as a normal car. I mean technically a Ferrari 355 is a coupe, but this thread is more geared towards stuff that shared a floor pan with more mundane vehicles.

Secondly most TVRs of the era are convertibles. The Cerbera is an exception, but see point 1.

wjs1968

15 posts

11 months

Thursday 20th June
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Puddenchucker said:
I wonder if there are any of these left?
at least one - this was mine 20 years ago and recently surfaced on eBay

I don't know if it was fast - it rarely worked for long enough to get up to speed...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/256479020691?mkevt=1&am...


Edited by wjs1968 on Thursday 20th June 17:11

Yertis

18,195 posts

269 months

Thursday 20th June
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‘Coupé’ I think derives from ‘cut off’ which implies there having been something to be cut off. So for me a coupé is a car which started out as a saloon type, but cut down for sexiness. But it’s not a rule smile

Just been thinking about this and (unusually) I agree with myself. So, your 635CSi is a GT, and so is the Supra, as they're designed from the outset as a two door GT. Whereas the Audi Coupé, derived from the 80 saloon and shares loads of parts, is definitely a coupé.

Edited by Yertis on Thursday 20th June 17:33

CoupeKid

780 posts

68 months

Thursday 20th June
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GTRene said:
said:
What is a coupe car
A coupe is a type of passenger car that is typically defined as a 2-door vehicle with a closed, sloping roof and a three-box body for the engine and passenger compartment. Coupes are often characterized by their sporty and stylish design, with a body built closer to the ground and smooth lines from the roof to the rear of the car.

Key Features:

2-door design
Closed, sloping roof
Three-box body for engine and passenger compartment
Interior space under 33 cubic feet
Sporty and stylish design
Body built closer to the ground with smooth lines
Debate:

There is some debate surrounding whether a coupe must have two doors for passenger egress or whether cars with four doors can also be considered coupes. However, the Society of Automotive Engineers defines a coupe as a car with an interior space of less than 33 cubic feet.

Examples:

Mazda RX-8
Mercedes-Benz CLS-Class
Rover P5 Coupé
In summary, a coupe car is a 2-door passenger car with a closed, sloping roof and a three-box body for the engine and passenger compartment, characterized by its sporty and stylish design.
The Rover P5 B was a 4 door!

So much for AI.

Risonax

300 posts

19 months

Thursday 20th June
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Cambs_Stuart said:
Anyone mentioned the Subaru SVX yet?





https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a46972858/199...
Older 1980s brothers. But these weren't "fast coupes"




Risonax

300 posts

19 months

Thursday 20th June
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I might have missed these being mentioned




Risonax

300 posts

19 months

Thursday 20th June
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The evening started so well








Risonax

300 posts

19 months

Thursday 20th June
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At school, a mate of mine brought one of these. It was a pretty rare car, but in its day, an utter bargain/



But he swapped it for an all back Capri 2.8 Special on Fiesta pepperpots (that was a thing).

Stick Legs

5,245 posts

168 months

Thursday 20th June
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Risonax said:
At school, a mate of mine brought one of these. It was a pretty rare car, but in its day, an utter bargain/



But he swapped it for an all back Capri 2.8 Special on Fiesta pepperpots (that was a thing).
Pepperpots were the standard 2.8 Injection wheel.

The Injection Special got the 13" RS 7 Spoke.

280 Brooklands got the oh-so-desireable 15" RS 7 Spoke.

Blimey, remember when the 18" alloys on the original DB7 looked impossibly huge.



Turbobanana

6,436 posts

204 months

Thursday 20th June
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Yertis said:
‘Coupé’ I think derives from ‘cut off’ which implies there having been something to be cut off. So for me a coupé is a car which started out as a saloon type, but cut down for sexiness. But it’s not a rule smile

Just been thinking about this and (unusually) I agree with myself. So, your 635CSi is a GT, and so is the Supra, as they're designed from the outset as a two door GT. Whereas the Audi Coupé, derived from the 80 saloon and shares loads of parts, is definitely a coupé.

Edited by Yertis on Thursday 20th June 17:33
That's exactly my take on it, Yertis.

As a spotty yoof I worked as a vehicle detailer (read: car washer) for a used car site. One day we took in a Lancia Gamma Coupé and I was transfixed by this other-worldly creation, with its chiselled lines and Pininfarina badges, let alone the upholstery that featured the Lancia logo repeated endlessly. It was an automatic, with possibly the longest gear selector this side of a VW Transporter or Transit auto.

Sadly the population of Prestatyn in the mid-eighties was totally nonplussed by this alien being and it sat, unloved, until being sent to auction for a loss.

As I recall, you had to be a bit careful applying full steering lock when cold, which could cause the cambelt to snap.



GTRene

17,024 posts

227 months

Thursday 20th June
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CoupeKid said:
GTRene said:
said:
What is a coupe car
A coupe is a type of passenger car that is typically defined as a 2-door vehicle with a closed, sloping roof and a three-box body for the engine and passenger compartment. Coupes are often characterized by their sporty and stylish design, with a body built closer to the ground and smooth lines from the roof to the rear of the car.

Key Features:

2-door design
Closed, sloping roof
Three-box body for engine and passenger compartment
Interior space under 33 cubic feet
Sporty and stylish design
Body built closer to the ground with smooth lines
Debate:

There is some debate surrounding whether a coupe must have two doors for passenger egress or whether cars with four doors can also be considered coupes. However, the Society of Automotive Engineers defines a coupe as a car with an interior space of less than 33 cubic feet.

Examples:

Mazda RX-8
Mercedes-Benz CLS-Class
Rover P5 Coupé
In summary, a coupe car is a 2-door passenger car with a closed, sloping roof and a three-box body for the engine and passenger compartment, characterized by its sporty and stylish design.
The Rover P5 B was a 4 door!

So much for AI.
indeed, btw I saw a modern Merc CLA or CLS coupe )big one) but both have 4 doors, so... the definition of a Coupe is lost or mis used or? I don't know but its not a fixed rule anymore or it never was? a bit frustrating it is.

but back to the 80-90 you had the Toyota Celica Coupe, but those came in many shapes, but to say some are a coupe? hm, yes some maybe but it goes so far with stretching's the term. but at least they are 2 doors and the GT versions were reasonable fast-ish.