New Lotus T125

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joaovc

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118 posts

210 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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"This Saturday sees the World debut of the most exclusive and expensive Lotus since the company began in 1952."

More on the Lotus forums here: http://www.thelotusforums.com/cms/index.php?option...

patmahe

5,819 posts

210 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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While I'm sure it will be a fantastic car, I'm not sure its the right direction for Lotus. The appeal for me when I bought my elise was that here was a car that could deliver big performance and terrific handling at a fraction of the price of others.

This giant killing reputation could be lost if they begin to make expensive, high end stuff and forget aobut their traditional customer base. So I give this car a cautious welcome.

Fidgits

17,202 posts

235 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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the thing is though, you only need to sell a handful to make the same sort of profit of 100's of elise's.. and with limited runs there are all sorts of loopholes around crash testing and legislation to reduce R&D costs..

patmahe

5,819 posts

210 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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Fidgits said:
the thing is though, you only need to sell a handful to make the same sort of profit of 100's of elise's.. and with limited runs there are all sorts of loopholes around crash testing and legislation to reduce R&D costs..
True, just as long as they keep making cars for their traditonal customer base too and don't forget about us as they try to go 'upmarket'.

Fidgits

17,202 posts

235 months

Thursday 5th August 2010
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patmahe said:
Fidgits said:
the thing is though, you only need to sell a handful to make the same sort of profit of 100's of elise's.. and with limited runs there are all sorts of loopholes around crash testing and legislation to reduce R&D costs..
True, just as long as they keep making cars for their traditonal customer base too and don't forget about us as they try to go 'upmarket'.
i'm sure they will - this is probably just a halo product to raise the profile of Lotus in emerging markets (China) to try and increase global sales of the mainstream products.

Andy T

468 posts

234 months

Friday 6th August 2010
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Um, but it's not a Lotus, it's the Caparo.

Stephanie Plum

2,789 posts

217 months

Friday 6th August 2010
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I'm not so sure it is.

anonymous-user

60 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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More pics and info here http://gglotus.org/blog/?p=1409 quoting a price tag of $1,000,000.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

280 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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Dallara?

srce

13 posts

219 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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Nope, designed and built in Hethel, apparently.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

280 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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srce said:
Nope, designed and built in Hethel, apparently.
I find that somewhat hard to believe....

scannellski

429 posts

172 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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Bang for buck has always been the appeal of the Lotus marque for me, and I like to think of an old Lotus like an old US muscle car, affordable, yet with giant killing (thankyou) performance and handling. Raising the profile of the brand and making the cars more exclusive is a double edged sword for current lotus owners: firstly, it makes our current cars instantly more desirable and therefore hold their value (even) better. Secondly, unfortunately, it loses the appeal for people like me as a blue collar driver's car; in short, if you change the identity of the brand, you lose the pedigree that the brand has created, which will be lamentable for many lotus owners and fans.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

280 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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I think this is the beginning of the end of the end for Lotus as we know it, welcome to badge engineering.

this pic will have Colin spinning in his grave...


GKP

15,099 posts

247 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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People have short memories. It's only recently that Lotus has offered a 'cheap' car for sale with the sub £20k Elise and a £50k V8 Esprit. Historically, once the tax laws were changed to negate the advantages of selling cars as kits, a Lotus has always been expensive to buy compared with its rivals.
And Chapman would have loved the idea of minimal input and financial commitment, with maximum return and exposure.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

280 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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GKP said:
People have short memories. It's only recently that Lotus has offered a 'cheap' car for sale with the sub £20k Elise and a £50k V8 Esprit. Historically, once the tax laws were changed to negate the advantages of selling cars as kits, a Lotus has always been expensive to buy compared with its rivals.
And Chapman would have loved the idea of minimal input and financial commitment, with maximum return and exposure.
and if you think about it, the Elise is the only car that actually made them a profit... (in recent times, much like the 7 did).

Don't think Colin would be too chuffed at blatant badge engineering...




Andy T

468 posts

234 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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srce said:
Nope, designed and built in Hethel, apparently.
Absoulutely no way that has been completely developed and built at lotus in Hethel.

Andy T

468 posts

234 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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And why unveil it in the a$$ end of nowhere with little or no fanfare if it's an actual Lotus car that they've spent millions developing?

No mention of it anywhere on any of Lotus' official sites.

anonymous-user

60 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Andy T said:
And why unveil it in the a$$ end of nowhere
It's Monterey car week and the run up to Pebble Beach http://www.pebblebeachconcours.net/ which is where all the big $s they want to tap into will be


Sam_68

9,939 posts

251 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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GKP said:
People have short memories. It's only recently that Lotus has offered a 'cheap' car for sale with the sub £20k Elise and a £50k V8 Esprit.
My memory is long enough to remember that they couldn't build enough Elises to keep up with demand, whilst you could count the number of £50K V8 Esprits they were building a year on your fingers (with maybe the odd toe, when there was a bit of a surge in sales).

Admittedly the basic design of the Esprit was getting a bit long in the tooth by that stage, but even peak sales figures of the Esprit as a model were far from spectacular.

But isn't that all a bit academic? It seems we're talking about a non-road legal track car, not a prestige GT, at the moment?