Which pads? Brembo/Mintex/Pagid
Discussion
I need new pads but haven't been happy with the standard ones in the wet. It can be as long as 2 seconds before anything happens on a rainy motorway. A bit scary! The Mintex 1144's sound good but would they stand up to a track day? The Pagid R42's are pricey but are they any better? Anybody got experience of these pads?
Id really like a response to this as well. As Ive commented previously I dont have the highest regard for elise (S2) brakes and definitely dont like the length of time they take to bite initially, and the ease with which they lock..... if different pads can help then Id be v gratefukl to find out!
cheers
Night
cheers
Night
First track day I did had std Brembos in thought they were ok but put Mintex (£100 for F & R) on when req'd replacement - v noticeable improvement on both road and track - couldn't justify extra £100 for pagids as reg use car on road.
Am sure pagids may be better for track and may give you a few tenths improvement over Mintex in lap times but driver improvement is where my cash is being spent (1st Lotus, etc)- seconds to be pared here!!
Am sure pagids may be better for track and may give you a few tenths improvement over Mintex in lap times but driver improvement is where my cash is being spent (1st Lotus, etc)- seconds to be pared here!!
clanger said: Mintex are the best compromise. Pagids every time if lots of track use- no longetivity prob with Mintex. Also IIRC some Exiges have suffered cracked std discs when fitted with pagids
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If you drive like a numpty, no pad is going to wear out fast (Bar EBC)!
Life wise, Padgid 4-2 will outlast Mintex anything on road only use, and if you go near a track, then there is just no comparison.
As for disks cracking, that's because the disks are crap, Mintex 1144/1155's will have more of a problem with this becuase they tend to heat the disks more than Padgids do.
Simon (S)
Discs aren't crap they were designed as a package with std pads 
- uprate to pagid pads commonsense to uprate discs too - total package needs to be considered If I was doing more trackdays would fit both pagids and upgrade to Geary's discs - use it everyday have to compromise..
Numpty Driver
- uprate to pagid pads commonsense to uprate discs too - total package needs to be considered If I was doing more trackdays would fit both pagids and upgrade to Geary's discs - use it everyday have to compromise.. Numpty Driver
Clanger,
overly simplistic to say the least.
different pad and disk combinations have different friction coeficents, and also handle heat in different ways.
Some pads tansfer more heat thought he pad into the caliper, some don't, some pads coat the disk with a thiker transfer layer, thus don't heat the surface of the disk as much, etc etc.
I agree that for a given braking force, you will generate X KW of heat, the difference is how and where that heat is dissapated.
overly simplistic to say the least.
different pad and disk combinations have different friction coeficents, and also handle heat in different ways.
Some pads tansfer more heat thought he pad into the caliper, some don't, some pads coat the disk with a thiker transfer layer, thus don't heat the surface of the disk as much, etc etc.
I agree that for a given braking force, you will generate X KW of heat, the difference is how and where that heat is dissapated.
SimonS
My point exactly the brake system needs to be looked at as a whole - change one component - may have detrimental effect on another. I don't disagree that pagids are the best pads available - I just consider that to get the best out of them you would have to upgrade the discs, hence its not just an xtra £100 for the pads but also the upgraded disc costs if you are to gain the max advantage from them.
SimonE
My point exactly the brake system needs to be looked at as a whole - change one component - may have detrimental effect on another. I don't disagree that pagids are the best pads available - I just consider that to get the best out of them you would have to upgrade the discs, hence its not just an xtra £100 for the pads but also the upgraded disc costs if you are to gain the max advantage from them.
SimonE
This is one of those tricky threads where you both obviously know what you're on about.
reading between the lines it would seem that...
assuming I dont want to upgrade the discs (which are decent drilled and vented discs on my S2) then Mintex are the boy. If Im happy to fork out a bit more wedge, then you'd go for Pagid.
Is this a reasonbale summary?!
cheers
Night
reading between the lines it would seem that...
assuming I dont want to upgrade the discs (which are decent drilled and vented discs on my S2) then Mintex are the boy. If Im happy to fork out a bit more wedge, then you'd go for Pagid.
Is this a reasonbale summary?!
cheers
Night
Thanks for the info: next time I will go for Mintex as I drive Elsie everday with only two or three track days a year. Lotus have agreed to supply rear pads FOC as the handbrake cable has seized after only 18 months. Check this out as the caliper end of the cable points up and one side, in my case, has been letting salty water in over the winter.
PS is it awkward changing the rear pads or pushing the piston back?
PS is it awkward changing the rear pads or pushing the piston back?
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