RE: Lotus Europa spy shots are wrong

RE: Lotus Europa spy shots are wrong

Tuesday 16th August 2005

Lotus Europa spy shots are wrong

New Lotus GT confirmed but it's not like the pictures


Lotus Europa Mk. I
Lotus Europa Mk. I
Rumours are rife that Lotus is about to revive the legendary Europa -- the mid-engined car launched in 1966 that your reporter lusted after as a lad. However, PistonHeads' sources suggest that, despite the rumours, the car in spy shots posted on other Web sites (see link below) is not a true Lotus but a Proton version of the Elise.

Sources suggest that Proton's Elise features many of the engineering upgrades that will be required for the Elise to meet US standards in 2007. And for support for the theory that the spy-shotted car is not the Europa but a Malaysian Elise, consider the following:

  • The new Europa is to be more of a GT car that "goes like stink", according to Lotus spokesman Alistair Florance. Yet the spy shots floating around on the Web show a car of the same dimensions as the current Elise, with just two seats -- not a GT-style 2+2.
  • According to a recent edition of Autocar, the Elise's Toyota engine, which needs high revs to get the best out of it, will be replaced by a 2.2-litre turbocharged Vauxhall engine to provide "a more relaxed driving experience".
  • Yet in the US, the Vauxhall powerplant would create big marketing issues since the same unit is being used in the GM Solstice/ Sky/Lighting Kappa-based vehicles, which are similar in size and market to the Elise. Using this engine in a GT car at the top of the model range is therefore unlikely.
  • The car has been spotted testing on several occasions with other upcoming Proton models in Malaysia. Why test the car in Malaysia unless you were planning to build it there?

This suggests that that the new Europa is to be built by Lotus' plant at Hethel, while, Proton's new mid-engined sports car has production planned in Malaysia. By producing this model in the same facility that will eventually manufacture the Esprit, the workers get to learn the manufacturing process prior to building the more expensive and likely more complex, Esprit.

So what do we know?

In the Europa, Lotus is promising a car with a more compliant ride, more toys and -- maybe -- a car that the - er - more horizontally challenged will find easier to get into and out of. Despite this, Lotus MD Clive Dopson reckoned that the car will retain the "essential strands of Lotus DNA" to produce a driver focused car.

The Europa's launch, due in Geneva next spring, will follow the Porsche Cayman, which is sure to suck sales from the mid-priced sports car market. It will also fill the gap before the launch of the new Esprit, which is based on the new Versatile Vehicle Architecture (see link below) and is due by the end of 2007.

Our spies are still digging...

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boggy

Original Poster:

4,603 posts

242 months

Tuesday 16th August 2005
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This is Great News, at last a new edition to the Lotus range I'm over the Moon

Boggy

dinkel

27,182 posts

265 months

Tuesday 16th August 2005
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I read this a few days ago . . .

A Europe should be small, easy, ultra direct and in-budget . . . I hope they manage that.

PH said:
According to a recent edition of Autocar, the Elise's Toyota engine, which needs high revs to get the best out of it, will be replaced by a 2.2-litre turbocharged Vauxhall engine to provide "a more relaxed driving experience".


Are we kidding?

What'll happen to the elise?

>> Edited by dinkel on Tuesday 16th August 11:33

Podie

46,645 posts

282 months

Tuesday 16th August 2005
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So the comic was wrong..? No surprise there then..

planetdave

9,921 posts

260 months

Tuesday 16th August 2005
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Just sodding well get on with it. It doesn't much matter - most of us will want one and the order books will burst.

mustard

6,992 posts

252 months

Tuesday 16th August 2005
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steff

1,420 posts

270 months

Tuesday 16th August 2005
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mustard said:


come on mustard spill the beans!

roosevelt

396 posts

268 months

Tuesday 16th August 2005
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As a matter of interest what side of the road do they drive on in Malaysia. Would this have a bearing on the comments re testing in Malaysia for a Malaysian market....?

blanc

221 posts

246 months

Tuesday 16th August 2005
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They drive on the same side as us.

FestivAli

1,102 posts

245 months

Wednesday 17th August 2005
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Car in the 'spy pics' looks rather nice. Gotta be the next elise. Saw some shots in Wheels or Motor magazine, can't remember which, of a lotus testing in malaysia. Article called it the Sepang, and said it used a 2.5 V6 (possibly rovers KV6). Two seater though.

Witchfinder

6,250 posts

259 months

Wednesday 17th August 2005
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A Proton Elise, eh? I wonder what they'll price it at.

craigm2

1 posts

231 months

Wednesday 17th August 2005
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One teeny problem with the "Proton Elise" Theory. The badge on the bonnet of the spyshots appears to be a production ready item taped over (otherwise why stick a badge on at all), and Proton have never to my knowledge sold a car with a round badge - only ever a shield shaped one. Am I being picky?

jazzyjeff

3,652 posts

266 months

Wednesday 17th August 2005
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Has anyone considered this might be a development of the Elise?? It's going to stay in production for some time yet, alongside the new Europa and Esprit.

Proton have testing facilities in Malaysia so it makes sense to make and run prototypes there as much as in Norfolk. Who also says they don't plan to make the next Elise in Malaysia (that's assuming VW doesn't swallow the whole operation up, of course)?

ErnestM

11,621 posts

274 months

Wednesday 17th August 2005
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ph article said:
Yet in the US, the Vauxhall powerplant would create big marketing issues since the same unit is being used in the GM Solstice/ Sky/Lighting Kappa-based vehicles, which are similar in size and market to the Elise. Using this engine in a GT car at the top of the model range is therefore unlikely.


Non issue I'm afraid. The Solstice, et al, will top out at about $19,000US. The Lotus will probably go for about $41,000US. Different market demographics all together. Also, it makes sense to use an engine where somebody else has already had it EPA certified.

The rest of the article makes some interesting points, however.


ErnestM

dinkel

27,182 posts

265 months

Wednesday 17th August 2005
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jazzyjeff said:
Has anyone considered this might be a development of the Elise?? It's going to stay in production for some time yet, alongside the new Europa and Esprit.


The Europe as an Elise follow-up would spoil the Elise brandname . . . There will be a next gen Elises imo.

The name Europa has associations with the past . . . we all know: small fast (affordable) and dynamic streetracer. The Elise / Exige has made a name for it's own. The Esprit has a heritage and can make her comeback as a supercar.

Europa should be Lotus entry level car, imo.

c3 gtk

896 posts

262 months

Sunday 21st August 2005
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According to a recent edition of Autocar, the Elise's Toyota engine, which needs high revs to get the best out of it, will be replaced by a 2.2-litre turbocharged Vauxhall engine to provide "a more relaxed driving experience".

The Vauxhall "turbo" engine is a 2litre

The 2.2 was in the NA VX220 and never turbocharged.

peter450

1,650 posts

240 months

Sunday 21st August 2005
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i'd be surprised if it was a gm unit rather then a toyota unit, lotus have stated that all future cars will be world cars (engineered to comply in all markets) the use of a gm unit in the states were it will power solatices etc will create marketing problems for lotus, it will most likly be a larger capicity toyota unit, toyota have a good image stateside and lotus will no doubt be keen to build on there relationship with toyota as access to there parts bin will be very beneficial

ajw1965

32 posts

233 months

Sunday 21st August 2005
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I couldn't comment but a quick point the reg plate is AU05, thats a norfolk plate!!!

Black_Lotus

14 posts

269 months

Wednesday 24th August 2005
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There was a link to www.ladolceveloce.com/?p=148 on this page which gave a link to www.hazelnet.org/europa/index.htm

And as I can see already one of the pictures is fake.

Compare www.hazelnet.org/europa/coupe.jpg

with

http://home-14.tiscali-business.nl/~acre6490/a.jpg

faniskapetanakis

14 posts

234 months

Monday 29th August 2005
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"The Vauxhall "turbo" engine is a 2litre

The 2.2 was in the NA VX220 and never turbocharged."

GM will use in its future models (Solstice etc) the 2.2 I4 with forced induction. Probably with a supercharger.
So, you are right on your comments, but they refer to the past. The future is a different story

BusaNostra

68 posts

234 months

Wednesday 31st August 2005
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Lotus should stop making "Dart Vaders".
Elise, Europa, and the rest of the experimentals looks "el chipo", ricey, exotic insects and a design with non functional curves. Good for X-box, gran turismo & need for speed. Lotus young designers
busy playing computer games.

Esprit looks dignified and classy.