General Austrialia questions.

General Austrialia questions.

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Gingerbread Man

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9,173 posts

218 months

Monday 25th April 2011
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I'm sure I'm about to ask the normal questions that people ask when thinking of moving to Australia. But I hope that nobody minds too much.

So, my Girlfriend and I fancy the idea of moving and living abroad. Australia is top of our list with Canada lying in second. Currently we live in the UK, she's a Secondary School Teacher and I'm a Plumber. Both currently in our early twenties.

Anyway there's a bit of background, now the question.

I drive a 1999 Caterham 7 as my daily car. She would like a Lotus Elise in a few years. I would like to take my car over with me if possible. As I understand it, it's worth more in Aus that it is here, so if you can bring a rare (in Australia) car with you, it's worth the hassle. Am I right so far?

Also, and maybe more importantly. What is the car scene like in Aus? To be honest, the thought of maybe emigrating to a anti car country scare me a little as it's drive me mad to loose a great interest to an anti car loving Government. Reading the odd thread in this sub forum, seems to suggest that you get taxed on luxury cars over a certain $ amount. Looking on the Caterham.au site, the prices are hugely inflated as opposed to the same UK car in the showroom. Not taking into account the differences in salaries between the two country's, do you end up with the short straw, or is it not as bad as I'm making out?

Speed cameras are rife over here as I'm sure you well know as many reading this have probably emigrated from here. Are the roads better back in the UK? Can you go out for a good drive easily, or are there police and cameras on every corner?

I've many more questions about Australia in my head. We plan on doing a reccy holiday for ~3 weeks come August time this year. But I can do a lot of reading up on those/ find out while over there. Thought I'd get a few questions off my mind.

David

madazrx7

5,005 posts

222 months

Tuesday 26th April 2011
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Gingerbread Man said:
I'm sure I'm about to ask the normal questions that people ask when thinking of moving to Australia. But I hope that nobody minds too much.

So, my Girlfriend and I fancy the idea of moving and living abroad. Australia is top of our list with Canada lying in second. Currently we live in the UK, she's a Secondary School Teacher and I'm a Plumber. Both currently in our early twenties.

Anyway there's a bit of background, now the question.

I drive a 1999 Caterham 7 as my daily car. She would like a Lotus Elise in a few years. I would like to take my car over with me if possible. As I understand it, it's worth more in Aus that it is here, so if you can bring a rare (in Australia) car with you, it's worth the hassle. Am I right so far?

Also, and maybe more importantly. What is the car scene like in Aus? To be honest, the thought of maybe emigrating to a anti car country scare me a little as it's drive me mad to loose a great interest to an anti car loving Government. Reading the odd thread in this sub forum, seems to suggest that you get taxed on luxury cars over a certain $ amount. Looking on the Caterham.au site, the prices are hugely inflated as opposed to the same UK car in the showroom. Not taking into account the differences in salaries between the two country's, do you end up with the short straw, or is it not as bad as I'm making out?

Speed cameras are rife over here as I'm sure you well know as many reading this have probably emigrated from here. Are the roads better back in the UK? Can you go out for a good drive easily, or are there police and cameras on every corner?

I've many more questions about Australia in my head. We plan on doing a reccy holiday for ~3 weeks come August time this year. But I can do a lot of reading up on those/ find out while over there. Thought I'd get a few questions off my mind.

David
Just a quick reply for now as I'm hewading out to lunch.
Perth is a great place, lots going for it, downsides like anywhere... but if I want to go for a decent drive I'll spend the money on a ticket to England and a hire car rather than drive here.

Often rated as the Worst drivers in the world.

custardtart

1,731 posts

258 months

Tuesday 26th April 2011
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First thing to do would be check out visa requirements. Easy enough to do online through the oz immigration website.

If you owned your car for 12 months you can bring it although not totally sure if your Caterham is allowed, I,ve got a westfield i'd like to bring over at some point - been here 18 months now and love it.

Cameras as bad as Uk in city areas but not painted yellow so harder to spot, basically dont speed in and around the cities.

Some great roads to drive on, check the wiseman ferry thread. However, you can still get mobile speed cops so the same awareness applies as in uk.

Definitely buy the elise a year before coming over as they cost way more here and if you have the cash, an aston or porsche would net you plenty once here.



deviant

4,316 posts

215 months

Tuesday 26th April 2011
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Yes bring the Caterham with you. Yes you can import it but it would only really be eligible as a personal import. You will need to have owned and used the car for 12 months at the time of applying for import.

The Elise can come as a personal import or under the RAWS scheme depending on the model. Much cheaper in the UK than here.

Yes the government is very anti-car but you can still go out for a decent drive in the country, just be wise to the local plods hang out areas and tricks. Radar / laser detectors are illegal in all states bar WA. If you live in a city / metro location you will find that in most places you need to drive a fair distance before hitting the good roads and then you need to go a bit further to find the empty roads. You just have to be discrete and pick your moments.

Read up on the 'hoon laws' for a giggle.

Modifying cars is a pain in the arse here but most people do it anyway and just risk getting pulled over.

The car scene here is good, st loads of cheap motorsport to get involved in. It seems that the entire Aus car scene (whatever you are in to) is based on forums.

What state are you looking to move to?

All of them offer something different and all have different prospects when it comes to the boring things in life like jobs, home ownership etc.

Steve-B

735 posts

287 months

Tuesday 26th April 2011
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David,

I took our SV over in 2006 and brought it back with us on 2009 and am in Marlow now. Happy to chat this through with you, drop me a BM and we can
chat via phone. You do need to have your wallet and eyes wide open and be prepared to NOT fight the system.

Working that way, we got Daxman's Rush in as well as Ddubya's Caterham in. So it's doable, with a chequebook. You may seriously want to consider the PRB instead as they're very good cars!

Gingerbread Man

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9,173 posts

218 months

Tuesday 26th April 2011
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Hi again chaps. Thanks for the replies.

As mentioned, we are planning on a trip over this year for ~3 weeks to get a feel for the place. A short while ago, Queensland was on the list for needing plumbers. I think if I get a sponsored by a company to come out, I have to stay with them and in the same location for 4 years before I can freely move about and find where suits us best.

Still in the planning stages on where to stay and how best to fly out there for our reccy at the moment.

I'm guessing it can't be too anti car for all you car lovers to have emigrated over? Regular track day goers? I will miss my annual Le Mans trip though! Maybe I can coincide that with a trip to England to see the family scratchchin


Out of interest. I don't know if any one is/ or knows a plumber. I was wondering if it would be an easy migration from Gas Safe regulations (England natural gas) to the Australia equivalent. Is Natural Gas the main fuel out there, or Oil and LPG just as common?

Google [bot]

6,686 posts

186 months

Wednesday 27th April 2011
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Gingerbread Man said:
I think if I get a sponsored by a company to come out, I have to stay with them and in the same location for 4 years before I can freely move about and find where suits us best.
You may find if you are under 30 that as a teacher & plumber you may be eligible to enter as permanent residents without sponsorship and the inherent insecurity that comes with it. That being; lose your job and you have 28 days to get out of the country.

This is a minefield, but you could start off with http://www.liveinaustralia.com/skilled-visa/Defaul...

Australia (Sydney) sapped the car enthusiasm out of me over a period of time until getting involved in some Sydney PH meets - it's like a cloud has been lifted smile - there is (plenty of) fun to be had after all thumbup

Pommygranite

14,306 posts

221 months

Wednesday 27th April 2011
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I d go permanent residency over 457 sponsored visa anytime. Reasons:

Plenty of jobs so turn up, you'll be fine.

Access to Medicare, first home buyers grant and easier to get banking, mortgages etc. Basically you get treated like a citizen rather than a tourist.

You can get citizenship much more quickly.

First people to get culled if work is pulled back are 457's

Permanent residency is a cheap visa option but can take (obviously) longer to get than 457's but mine only took 9 months and about £1500. Did it myself too smile


deviant

4,316 posts

215 months

Wednesday 27th April 2011
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I'm a regular-ish trackdayer, not many venues in WA but there is still multiple events to enter pretty much every week of the year. The eastern states has even more venues and more workable rules for entering stuff.

I would avoid like the plague any visa that ties you in to a contract with your employer. The people I know of that are sponsored are in for 2-5 years of being at the mercy of the employer and also not being able to leave the job. Imagine being here for 2 years and then losing your job and having to leave!! A lady I work with is sponsored and has 12 months left on the contract with the company but she is also thoroughly miserable.

I say just move out here and take the leap. Just remember that this is a foreign country and you will mostly have to forget the UK, once you relax in to the place you will not look back at all. Pommygranite can tell you all about that as he did just try a move back to the UK.

Goochie

5,671 posts

224 months

Wednesday 27th April 2011
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You'll find loads of information at www.pomsinoz.com but steer clear of those who seem to do nothing other than complain about the place.

I've used it for questions about the immigration process rather than questions about the place itself.

Also you'll find people complaining about the cost of living over there but thats mainly because they're stupid fools who forget they'll be earning $ and spending $ when they arrive so it wont be too much of a problem.

Dont bother with an immigration agent - Do it all yourself, it's a doddle.

As above, dont get a 457 class Visa if you can avoid it. Try and get a 176 which is "state sponsored". This means that if you have an occupation that is in demand the state will push your application through quicker. On a 176 you're not tied to an employer and can do any job you like when you arrive.

The points system is changing in July to favour those with formal qualifications so your other half will probably be the one who has to apply for the 176

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Edited by Goochie on Wednesday 27th April 12:27

Hasbeen

2,073 posts

226 months

Wednesday 27th April 2011
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My next door neighbour is a plumber. He's gone from renting to almost fully owning his 5 bed home on 12 acres in a semi rural all acreage area just south of Brisbane Qld in 8 years.

He only does local repair work in a district of about 2,000 people, & has more work than he wants. Reckons it gets in the way of working on the 20 by 30 shed full of classic motor bikes he's accumulated.

Another pommy mate, plumber, who specialised in roofing, retired at 52, & spends his time cruising around the country in a mobile home.

Plumbing is a good thing to do around here, working for yourself.

CoopsA

45 posts

182 months

Friday 29th April 2011
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The 457 visa does have it's financial advantages. as your company can apply on your behalf for lafha (living away from home allowance) which effectively increases your tax free allowance. However it means that as you are company sponsored you need a company to sponsor your visa, which has it's downside. If you lose your company sponsorship then you have 28 days to leave.

deviant

4,316 posts

215 months

Friday 29th April 2011
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You better get used to gas BBQ's to hehe

SkinnyBoy

4,635 posts

263 months

Friday 29th April 2011
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deviant said:
You better get used to gas BBQ's to hehe
gas??? if you are bogan then sure, but real bbqs are done on a proper BBQ or souvla with charcoal and a few bits of gumtree. Gas ffs leave that to power converted stbox EL's and Dunnydores.

We had an incident last weekend when the souvla stopped and nobody saw it until my nephew shouted "we have a situation" and the lamb was on fire!!

custardtart

1,731 posts

258 months

Saturday 30th April 2011
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SkinnyBoy said:
gas??? if you are bogan then sure, but real bbqs are done on a proper BBQ or souvla with charcoal and a few bits of gumtree. Gas ffs leave that to power converted stbox EL's and Dunnydores.

We had an incident last weekend when the souvla stopped and nobody saw it until my nephew shouted "we have a situation" and the lamb was on fire!!
Gas only in sydney Inner burbs frown

ajg31

1,455 posts

212 months

Sunday 1st May 2011
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Only hadd 3 BBQ's in 3 years, and they were at work!

My car enthusiasm has been knocked out of me. Maybe one day it will come back. Cannot imagine the UK being any better in alot of respects though. So many camera's there, and road speed reductions would make it a sad place to be too.

I think recently the sponsorship rules have changed to allow workers more rights to move from employer to employer without the tie in rubbish. I would still prefer to be a PR. Took me 2 years to get my PR, state sponsorship, the worst of the lot, took my GF 5 months to get.

Gingerbread Man

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9,173 posts

218 months

Sunday 1st May 2011
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I've had a little look on LiveinAustralia.com website to see if my girlfriend and I could enter via the skilled migration route. So far we've 'satisfied the basic requirements'.

Queensland takes our fancy, so that is our aim at the moment.


So, now on to our trip we hope to make late this summer (August). We thought about going out for ~3 weeks and travelling around a bit, but also having a more serious look into Australian life to see if it's definitely for us.

Any recommendations on flight operators? I've herd that flying out one way and coming back the other is a good idea if we fancy a day's stop off maybe.

I quite like the 'hire a 4x4/ camper van' idea as a way to see Australia. This also seems quite a cheap way to get around as opposed to backpackers hostels (2 people) and a hire car. 'Wicked Campers' is an example of what we are looking at. We've been looking on the internet today to get clued up, and a first impression is;

Fly into Cairns, hire camper, go see Daintree Rainforest, then make our way down to Brisbane, fly out of here over a 3 week period.

This will mean that we don't get to see Sydney/ Melbourne and the surround area, but hopefully our 3 weeks there will give us a good idea of day to day life.

*Subject to much change!



When you lot first went out (I'm assuming most of you were UK citizens once upon a time!!?), how did you play it so to speak? Tell me your tales and your first impressions. How long was it from your first visit to emigrating? How did you explore your future home?

Also, thanks for all the help so far guys.

Edited by Gingerbread Man on Sunday 1st May 20:04

Google [bot]

6,686 posts

186 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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Gingerbread Man said:
I've had a little look on LiveinAustralia.com website to see if my girlfriend and I could enter via the skilled migration route. So far we've 'satisfied the basic requirements'.
Nice. Unless you've got any really dark skeletons in your closet it sounds like you're good to go.

Gingerbread Man said:
Queensland takes our fancy, so that is our aim at the moment.
Really? This is all IMHO opinion of course, but apart from Brisbane I don't see the appeal. QLD is a massive place, the vast majority of it being nothingness, the top half being >30C for >300 days/yr, doesn't really have seasons, just a wet and dry period. Some of these places are really backward and almost wild-west.


Gingerbread Man said:
So, now on to our trip we hope to make late this summer (August). We thought about going out for ~3 weeks and travelling around a bit, but also having a more serious look into Australian life to see if it's definitely for us.
I don't really think QLD is reflective of Australia as a whole. With the exception of Brisbane you are likely to see a lot of nothingness - don't lose track of the size of this place. Personally, and again, just my humble opinion, I would not be attracted to Australia if that was all I saw. Depends what you're looking for I guess - if it is a slower pace of life you probably don't want Sydney/Melbourne but could look at Perth/Adelaide (neither of which I've been to). I've had some great times in Townsville, in the middle of winter, but I'd never live there. And you can't just jump in the sea willy-nilly.
Gingerbread Man said:
This will mean that we don't get to see Sydney/ Melbourne and the surround area, but hopefully our 3 weeks there will give us a good idea of day to day life.
I would try and make some time to see elsewhere too if I were you.

August is mid-winter, which doesn't mean anything in the likes of Cairns but is likely to be pretty chilly in the southern states.


Gingerbread Man said:
When you lot first went out (I'm assuming most of you were UK citizens once upon a time!!?), how did you play it so to speak? Tell me your tales and your first impressions. How long was it from your first visit to emigrating? How did you explore your future home?
In '02 I came out on a working holidaymakers visa but knowing I had likely 457 sponsorship with the Aus branch of the company I was with in the UK. This happened, a few years later a change to the 457 rules meant I could upgrade to the permanent residence visa. This expires about now (permanent doesn't actually mean permanent) and last week I had my citizenship ceremony.

I landed in Sydney on the Friday night and started work on the Monday morning so didn't do much exploring, but did travel about quite a bit with work.

As I say it depends what you're after. QLD wouldn't be my thing (obviously) but a lot of that is due to the punishing heat which is a pet hate of mine.

Feel free to pm me too if I can help/advise.

Re-reading this it seems I'm giving QLD too hard a time, sorry about that, but I'm not going to edit it as they are (just) my thoughts. Hopefully someone will be along shortly to give another viewpoint.

Brisvegas

140 posts

164 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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Hi GBman, I was born and bred in Oz so you'll get a different perspective from me. I travel quite a lot for work (90 flights last year alone) and have been to all the capitals many a time. Lived in Sydney for 25 years, now in Brisbane for the last 10 years. Looking at your proposed travel itinerary you really aren't doing justice to yourself if you arrive in cairns and travel down to Brisbane. I reckon if you are serious about moving out here you need to see a bit more of the country during your 3 week visit. Definitely get down to Sydney and Melbourne for a look. Queensland is great but as mentioned earlier in the thread outside Brisbane there is a lot on nothing. Driving down from cairns in a wicked camper would be my idea of hell. Roads are pretty crap, long way between towns (compared to the UK) and if you any have trouble with the air conditioner in the camper you'll be sweating like hell in august. Depends on what your main aim for the trip is, if holiday cairns and drive down see airlie beach and the whitsundays etc. If looking mainly for cities to live in fly into cairns few days there, fly down to Brisbane 4-5 days there. In Brisbane you do day trip up to Noosa via sunshine coast. Day trip down to Goldcoast and hinterland there, Bryon bay is only 2.5 hours drive from brisbane so no trouble to get there and back in a day or overnight if needed. After Brisbane fly Melbourne or Sydney spend a few days in each of these cities. You can get some pretty cheap flights between the capitals if you fly at the cheap times and book in advance. Check out Qantas and Virginblue websites to see what you can get. All the capitals have their pros and cons.

Brisbane is great nearly all year round not as hot as Melbourne in summer and nowhere near as cold in winter. People are friendly, plenty to explore within 1-2 hour drive. I'd rate Brisbane equal with Perth for livability.
Sydney, huge, busy, great Harbour.
Melbourne, more european feel, football (Aussie rules that is) mad. God public transport.
Adelaide. Like a big country town. Bit sleepy and slow.
Perth, like Perth a lot. Has similar feel to Brisbane for me.

Plenty of work out here for qualified people in nearly all areas. Come with a positive attitude and you won't look back.

Basically just come you'll love it.

Tony

SkinnyBoy

4,635 posts

263 months

Monday 2nd May 2011
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custardtart said:
SkinnyBoy said:
gas??? if you are bogan then sure, but real bbqs are done on a proper BBQ or souvla with charcoal and a few bits of gumtree. Gas ffs leave that to power converted stbox EL's and Dunnydores.

We had an incident last weekend when the souvla stopped and nobody saw it until my nephew shouted "we have a situation" and the lamb was on fire!!
Gas only in sydney Inner burbs frown
Savages....

Oh and if you love riding bikes, prepare to be target zero from every muppet that ever drives, and you have to by law, wear a helmet or you risk the wrath of the moronic law to the tune of 150 dollars. There are some ace points why living in Australia ticks the boxes but some days it does my head in.

I echo the sentiments about having the love of cars ripped out of you here. I work in the auto industry here and it is backward. Forget about having a nice car here unless you are filthy rich or can afford to pay for your car twice over and can be arsed jumping through countless hoops of bureaucracy to drive something remotely interesting.

Other than that and countless other negatives, it can be a rewarding country to live in, especially when the sun is shining which is more often than not.