UK Aston Import Appeal Won???!!
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/boral-...
My TVR is currently in storage with the same company back in Scotland while I try to get import approval through. Got an email from the owner of the storage company and the guy in the story above has won an appeal. Anyone with a legal background able to comment on what this might mean?
My TVR is currently in storage with the same company back in Scotland while I try to get import approval through. Got an email from the owner of the storage company and the guy in the story above has won an appeal. Anyone with a legal background able to comment on what this might mean?
Yeah it's pretty much a no brainer from the government perspective. They aren't going to set a precedent for a vehicle being only owned for 9 months OS then bought into OZ under the personal import scheme. This guy is a rich dude (nothing wrong with that) and if they allow the import to go ahead because he can afford to challenge the system it really sets the govt up to allow vehicles in on a similar time frame of ownership. They have to be seen to be fair across the board as well as being fair. Can't see it having any affect on anyone bringing a vehicle in currently if they are aware as they no doubt would be of the qualifying requirements etc.
You've just got to make sure when you apply that you have every base covered on the requirements.
Tony
You've just got to make sure when you apply that you have every base covered on the requirements.
Tony
Moronic protectionist law, taking the piss even more that the exchange rate is so high, helping to keep Australia churning out s
tty home-grown cars to people that don't want them, and helping to keep the price of interesting cars double or more what you would pay in the USA or Europe. And WE elect the lawmakers and pay for the bureaucracy that does this to US. Are we fools or something? Or sheep?
They are tightening the screw every year that passes with the stupid pre-1989 con. What it needs is a class action to force the government to allow the people to buy and import their cars (and motorbikes) direct from other countries IF THEY WANT TO, saving themselves tens of thousands in the process. (As an aside I looked at a BMW HP2 SPort bike the other day, $30K here for a 2009 model, less than $14K for the same bike / age from a dealer in the UK).
tty home-grown cars to people that don't want them, and helping to keep the price of interesting cars double or more what you would pay in the USA or Europe. And WE elect the lawmakers and pay for the bureaucracy that does this to US. Are we fools or something? Or sheep?They are tightening the screw every year that passes with the stupid pre-1989 con. What it needs is a class action to force the government to allow the people to buy and import their cars (and motorbikes) direct from other countries IF THEY WANT TO, saving themselves tens of thousands in the process. (As an aside I looked at a BMW HP2 SPort bike the other day, $30K here for a 2009 model, less than $14K for the same bike / age from a dealer in the UK).
Edited by astonmartinv8 on Friday 22 April 09:46
deviant said:
I don't have a legal background but I think this means nothing. The government is not going to change its system, the last major revision to the system was to lock it down tight and restrict importing cars so they are not going to swing the other way again.
Surely a precedent has now been set. It should pave the way for others should they wish to appeal? Just need a few more rich guys to have a go through the courts! rorys said:
Surely a precedent has now been set. It should pave the way for others should they wish to appeal? Just need a few more rich guys to have a go through the courts!
The only precedent that it has set is one of the status quo for the legislation and import regulations. The guy lost his appeal so unlikely for anyone else to try, rich or not if their vehicle doesn't qualify first time around. It would be throwing good money after bad. At what cost though, the local manufacturers are heavily subsidised as they uncompetative. Without the gummint proping them up a base model Falcon would need to sell for something daft like $60k just to break even! If other manufacturers were allowed a look in Ford would go under but everyone would be employed by the other manufacturers.
Bibbs said:
astonmartinv8 said:
Moronic protectionist law
Keeps the locals in work though. If the UK had done the same maybe they'd still have a big car & industrial industry too - instead of the roads cloged up with rows and rows of bland identikit BMW/Audi/Merc badges.t cars and were badly run. Natural selection has got rid of them. What's left is small independents who produce amazing cars, lotus, Westfield, noble, Morgan etc. Never mind prodrive, cosworth and a heap of others that keep f1 cars on the move. The biggest loss was tvr, but I would say that!Personally I see little point long term in the restrictions put on motoring here. If the flood gates were opened to other manufacturers some competition would mean better prices and products from all. If the trading incentives were favorable they will come, and that will create employment.
As for personal imports there is something severely wrong somewhere in the chain. Have not done this with a car but I have with a jetski. Managed to buy from a dealer in the us and put on the water for 10k less than the best price the local guy could offer. Cars are evidently the same and there is greed somewhere in that chain before it lands on your driveway. I just can't figure out where.
Bibbs said:
Keeps the locals in work though. If the UK had done the same maybe they'd still have a big car & industrial industry too - instead of the roads cloged up with rows and rows of bland identikit BMW/Audi/Merc badges.
Er, Australia produces about 250K vehicles total per annum if it is lucky (and that number is declining because the cars are generally substandard and uncompetitive). As well as the niche manufacturers like Lotus, Westfield, Noble, Morgan, Ariel, Caterham, McLaren, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin the UK has Ford (industrials / engines), GM (industrials), Jaguar Land Rover, Nissan, Honda, Vauxhall (Astra) and Toyota. Nissan / Honda and Toyota manufacture about three times as many passenger cars in the UK a year as the entire Australian market.
The Australian market just has to go through the same restructuring process the UK market has. When it does, I hope we'll start getting normal access to reasonably priced and better cars.
Because only fools would accept a situation where you pay twice the price for a BMW 5-series than you would in Europe or the US, whilst paying the price the BMW 5-series should have cost for a s
tty Falcon, I am sure it will change soon!!But only if we make it...
We may not agree with the protectionist environment in place but it does work for the reasons it is in place.
As a country the government is not concerned with choice, they are concerned with ensuring a unionised industry survives.
The comments on here about the UK enforce what would happen if foreign competition was increase- the industry in oz would die. We may support thatas consumers but economically it's a poor choice at the moment.
Heart v Head on this one and none are correct in truth, each has merit but cheaper 5 series at what price?..
By the way I hate unions, agree with competition and wish cars here were as cheap as the UK.
As a country the government is not concerned with choice, they are concerned with ensuring a unionised industry survives.
The comments on here about the UK enforce what would happen if foreign competition was increase- the industry in oz would die. We may support thatas consumers but economically it's a poor choice at the moment.
Heart v Head on this one and none are correct in truth, each has merit but cheaper 5 series at what price?..
By the way I hate unions, agree with competition and wish cars here were as cheap as the UK.
custardtart said:
Apparently Holden exports the commodore to the us where it is rebranded a Pontiac and cost 15k less, is that right?
Yes but I would think that has a lot to do with our taxes, delivery charges and rego fees.We could have this conversation about any product really, as much as I want to support local businesses I'm sorry to say that there are very few offering good service and good prices so I do all my shopping overseas. Like with the jetski I just can't see why stuff here should literally cost double what it does overseas.
You even see the Pontiac Commodores here. Maybe a year or so back Holden were doing a 'limited edition' Commodore and Ute...Holden just had a pile of Pontiac front ends and bonnets left over after a face lift to the Pontiac model so they were fitted to local cars and sold as LE models. They even still have a Pontiac badge on the bumper.
rorys said:
Fair point, but it wouldn't be a industry to be proud of. Do you remember how bad rover actually was? The companies that went under were pumping out st cars and were badly run. Natural selection has got rid of them. What's left is small independents who produce amazing cars, lotus, Westfield, noble, Morgan etc. Never mind prodrive, cosworth and a heap of others that keep f1 cars on the move. The biggest loss was tvr, but I would say that!
Personally I see little point long term in the restrictions put on motoring here. If the flood gates were opened to other manufacturers some competition would mean better prices and products from all. If the trading incentives were favorable they will come, and that will create employment.
As for personal imports there is something severely wrong somewhere in the chain. Have not done this with a car but I have with a jetski. Managed to buy from a dealer in the us and put on the water for 10k less than the best price the local guy could offer. Cars are evidently the same and there is greed somewhere in that chain before it lands on your driveway. I just can't figure out where.
rorys, any chance you could let us know few more details on your importing of the jet ski? t cars and were badly run. Natural selection has got rid of them. What's left is small independents who produce amazing cars, lotus, Westfield, noble, Morgan etc. Never mind prodrive, cosworth and a heap of others that keep f1 cars on the move. The biggest loss was tvr, but I would say that!Personally I see little point long term in the restrictions put on motoring here. If the flood gates were opened to other manufacturers some competition would mean better prices and products from all. If the trading incentives were favorable they will come, and that will create employment.
As for personal imports there is something severely wrong somewhere in the chain. Have not done this with a car but I have with a jetski. Managed to buy from a dealer in the us and put on the water for 10k less than the best price the local guy could offer. Cars are evidently the same and there is greed somewhere in that chain before it lands on your driveway. I just can't figure out where.
Anyone actually bothered to compare pricing and see how it stacks up?
I'll use a BMW 535i as an example. Nice big European motor that costs a lot of money. Now, I'm not an expert, so may have made a couple of errors, but the logic is pretty sound, and I did my best googling to try and figure out what taxes applied etc. UK list pricing came from Parkers and for Aus I used Redbook. UK pricing is list, so drive away, Aus is RRP so excludes taxes etc etc. I used an ex-rate of 1.5. Here we go:
UK list = 40,440 GBP = $86,400. Need to deduct VAT though.
UK ex VAT = 34,417 GBP
Now, say delivery from Germany to the UK costs 500 quid per car, that is 33,917 GBP ex factory. Which is $50,875
Add on $1500 per car for delivery to Aus = $52,375 landed excluding taxes.
At that price it would be a fraction over the LCT threshold, so add GST at 10%, Stamp duty at 2.5%, rego at $600, dealer delivery at $500, and LCT at $19,444.
Total of just under $80,000 on the road.
RRP for the 535i in Australia is $129,600....which is nearer $200k on the road.
As I said, I may have made an error, but I doubt it accounts for $120k! Of course, if it slipped under the threshold for LCT it would only cost about $60k all up.
How about a Golf GTD DSG and a Mazda 6? They are LCT exempt so no need to worry about it. Therefore a nice level playing field.
Golf calculated drive away = $40,642, actual is $48,114, so $7,500 over. Aus RRP is $41,790.
Mazda calculated drive away = $34,274, actual is $47,696, so $13,422 over. Aus RRP is $41,415.
So, while the LCT does have an impact on the top end stuff, it isn't the only reason they are expensive. It does look as if importers are pricing to take advantage of the market. Not sure how much of that is the Government's fault because of protectionist rules and taxes.
Mind you, if it means my job is protected then I'm all for it! (I work for GMH).
I'll use a BMW 535i as an example. Nice big European motor that costs a lot of money. Now, I'm not an expert, so may have made a couple of errors, but the logic is pretty sound, and I did my best googling to try and figure out what taxes applied etc. UK list pricing came from Parkers and for Aus I used Redbook. UK pricing is list, so drive away, Aus is RRP so excludes taxes etc etc. I used an ex-rate of 1.5. Here we go:
UK list = 40,440 GBP = $86,400. Need to deduct VAT though.
UK ex VAT = 34,417 GBP
Now, say delivery from Germany to the UK costs 500 quid per car, that is 33,917 GBP ex factory. Which is $50,875
Add on $1500 per car for delivery to Aus = $52,375 landed excluding taxes.
At that price it would be a fraction over the LCT threshold, so add GST at 10%, Stamp duty at 2.5%, rego at $600, dealer delivery at $500, and LCT at $19,444.
Total of just under $80,000 on the road.
RRP for the 535i in Australia is $129,600....which is nearer $200k on the road.
As I said, I may have made an error, but I doubt it accounts for $120k! Of course, if it slipped under the threshold for LCT it would only cost about $60k all up.
How about a Golf GTD DSG and a Mazda 6? They are LCT exempt so no need to worry about it. Therefore a nice level playing field.
Golf calculated drive away = $40,642, actual is $48,114, so $7,500 over. Aus RRP is $41,790.
Mazda calculated drive away = $34,274, actual is $47,696, so $13,422 over. Aus RRP is $41,415.
So, while the LCT does have an impact on the top end stuff, it isn't the only reason they are expensive. It does look as if importers are pricing to take advantage of the market. Not sure how much of that is the Government's fault because of protectionist rules and taxes.
Mind you, if it means my job is protected then I'm all for it! (I work for GMH).
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