Recruitment Agents and the such..
Discussion
Am dealing remotely with a Recruitment Agent in Sydney for a role which I am perfect for (very specialised field in what is an already closed industry, for which not many people would really travel for).
I am however concerned with the timescales I am facing with progressing this opportunity.
My CV has been pushed to the client but I'm being told that a 7day turnaround for receiving comments on a CV was 'normal'.
Anyone care to shed any light? Is this true?
Is process in Oz, slower to completion that elsewhere in the world?
Apologies, this was a one-off app and so I am still finding my way!
Thanks for all your input
I am however concerned with the timescales I am facing with progressing this opportunity.
My CV has been pushed to the client but I'm being told that a 7day turnaround for receiving comments on a CV was 'normal'.
Anyone care to shed any light? Is this true?
Is process in Oz, slower to completion that elsewhere in the world?
Apologies, this was a one-off app and so I am still finding my way!
Thanks for all your input
Burba... generally they take a bit of time caused by the process back and forward to the employing company. The fact you arent on shore may mean you move to the bottom of the pile slightly and of course it also depends on your visa/residency status. They will generally look at Australian resident applicants first before overseas applications.
Good luck with the application.
Good luck with the application.
7805 said:
Burba... generally they take a bit of time caused by the process back and forward to the employing company. The fact you arent on shore may mean you move to the bottom of the pile slightly and of course it also depends on your visa/residency status. They will generally look at Australian resident applicants first before overseas applications.
Good luck with the application.
Well as part of the package, the Agent did say they would offer a 457 Visa (which wouldn't be a problem) and I could either come immediately on a Temp Visa with a perm contract and convert to a 457 once there or just wait for the 457 in the first instance.Good luck with the application.
With regards the domestic vs international candidates, I assumed they were unable to find anyone suitable as it is such a specialised field that I don't think Oz has a strong base for.
Are there any questions I should be asking the Agent, or things to look out for?
Any help much appreciated!
Hi Burba
would recommend that you go for the 457 option and also ask them about living away from home allowance and covering your healthcare for yourself and any dependants/spouse etc. The 457 took about 3/4 weeks for me and it'll give you the opportunity to pack up and attend to your personal affairs at home.
BTW timelines for your application, the initial stages are sometimes slow, however it seems that most companies here move quickly from candidate selection to offer.
hope this is of use
would recommend that you go for the 457 option and also ask them about living away from home allowance and covering your healthcare for yourself and any dependants/spouse etc. The 457 took about 3/4 weeks for me and it'll give you the opportunity to pack up and attend to your personal affairs at home.
BTW timelines for your application, the initial stages are sometimes slow, however it seems that most companies here move quickly from candidate selection to offer.
hope this is of use
CoopsA said:
Hi Burba
would recommend that you go for the 457 option and also ask them about living away from home allowance and covering your healthcare for yourself and any dependants/spouse etc. The 457 took about 3/4 weeks for me and it'll give you the opportunity to pack up and attend to your personal affairs at home.
BTW timelines for your application, the initial stages are sometimes slow, however it seems that most companies here move quickly from candidate selection to offer.
hope this is of use
Coops, thanks for the info. would recommend that you go for the 457 option and also ask them about living away from home allowance and covering your healthcare for yourself and any dependants/spouse etc. The 457 took about 3/4 weeks for me and it'll give you the opportunity to pack up and attend to your personal affairs at home.
BTW timelines for your application, the initial stages are sometimes slow, however it seems that most companies here move quickly from candidate selection to offer.
hope this is of use
I am swaying towards the 457 option at present - assuming I even get selected!
I'm glad others are confirming what I have experiences, so that's comforting. I gave the Agent another call last week and he informed me that the Client has tens of jobs to fill and as such are slow to progress through all apps.
Time will tell I suppose...
Burba said:
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I gave the Agent another call last week and he informed me that the Client has tens of jobs to fill and as such are slow to progress through all apps.
Time will tell I suppose...
...I gave the Agent another call last week and he informed me that the Client has tens of jobs to fill and as such are slow to progress through all apps.
Time will tell I suppose...
Just as an update to this, the Agent never actually contacted me again!
I did however hear on the grapevine that the Aus Govnt had withdrawn its funding for the Major Project I would have been working on.
But once more ..... the jobs has re-appeared again! I have stuck my application in once again, so see what becomes of it now!
It's with Hays in Sydney - any experiences??
Edited by Burba on Sunday 25th July 13:07
That doesn't sound great, sorry about that.
However, recruitment agents are the same in Sydney as in the UK ie. useless. Well the majority are, I was lucky enough to find a guy who actually met his clients, understood their requirements and their business thoroughly and therefore prepped me really well. He also had credibility with the client so his applicants always got a head start.
Don't expect to send a CV off an get a call back, agents here generally don't call you back. you will need to phone and phone and generally make a nuisance of yourself.
As you will require a 457 you are less attractive to an organisation as there is some hassle for them plus if you ask for the LAFHA there is more work involved. Be aware that because the employer will lower your effective salary you will pay less Super (pension) contributions. To claim the LAFHA you must make it clear early on that you want this because they will need to organsie a slightly different contract and you will probably be required to produce a rental agreement stating what your rental amount is.(some may not ask for this)
Just be aware of a couple of issues with the 457. Companies may ask you to sign a long (ie. 4years) fixed term contract which could prove difficult to get out of if, for any reason, you don't like the job, company, country etc.
The other is that it ties you to that company should you want to leave. In hindsight I would never have agreed to a 457 and gone straight for Permanent Residency, it would've saved me going to the supreme court when I had issues with my employer! Home is a long way away at times like that!
Good luck.
However, recruitment agents are the same in Sydney as in the UK ie. useless. Well the majority are, I was lucky enough to find a guy who actually met his clients, understood their requirements and their business thoroughly and therefore prepped me really well. He also had credibility with the client so his applicants always got a head start.
Don't expect to send a CV off an get a call back, agents here generally don't call you back. you will need to phone and phone and generally make a nuisance of yourself.
As you will require a 457 you are less attractive to an organisation as there is some hassle for them plus if you ask for the LAFHA there is more work involved. Be aware that because the employer will lower your effective salary you will pay less Super (pension) contributions. To claim the LAFHA you must make it clear early on that you want this because they will need to organsie a slightly different contract and you will probably be required to produce a rental agreement stating what your rental amount is.(some may not ask for this)
Just be aware of a couple of issues with the 457. Companies may ask you to sign a long (ie. 4years) fixed term contract which could prove difficult to get out of if, for any reason, you don't like the job, company, country etc.
The other is that it ties you to that company should you want to leave. In hindsight I would never have agreed to a 457 and gone straight for Permanent Residency, it would've saved me going to the supreme court when I had issues with my employer! Home is a long way away at times like that!
Good luck.
Just to add, 457 visa's can reclaim their super when they leave the country/visa is cancelled, but will receive their super back less 35% tax.
If you transfer from a 457 to become permanent residency then you wont be able to claim super until you meet a condition of release (i.e over 55, death, disablement etc) and not just on leaving the country if you do return to country of origin.
If you transfer from a 457 to become permanent residency then you wont be able to claim super until you meet a condition of release (i.e over 55, death, disablement etc) and not just on leaving the country if you do return to country of origin.
My compnay got me a 4 year 457 with LAFHA, only really tied in for 2 years to repay a percantage of relocation costs, 75% if I left after 6months, 50% after 12, 25% at 18months, clear at 24months. However, its relatively easy to get another 457 by applying to change sponsors. May depend on your field. Mine, structural drafting, is relatively busy at the moment. Terms like that will be in your offer/contract I suppose.
Fortunately, Ive now got PR, with the Employer Nominated Scheme, paid for by them. Now Im off LAFHA, Im $1k a month worse off, so defo worth getting them to organise seeing as you are entitled to it under a 457.
For me personally, I love it in Oz, weather, lifestyle, work load (busy most of the time), not many downsides and I grew out of any homesickness many years ago, in fact it was within about a year of leaving (bearing in mind I was in HK for almost 10 years before coming to Qld).
Good luck with it all.
Jamie
Fortunately, Ive now got PR, with the Employer Nominated Scheme, paid for by them. Now Im off LAFHA, Im $1k a month worse off, so defo worth getting them to organise seeing as you are entitled to it under a 457.
For me personally, I love it in Oz, weather, lifestyle, work load (busy most of the time), not many downsides and I grew out of any homesickness many years ago, in fact it was within about a year of leaving (bearing in mind I was in HK for almost 10 years before coming to Qld).
Good luck with it all.
Jamie
Hell27 said:
Hi all, am currently applying for work over there too, under the 457 route.
What is LAFHA? Also, what is the tax status as a 457 visa'd migrant? Do you pay ridiculous levels of tax?
LAFHA stands for living away from home allowance. It's a tax break to allow people who come over here on a temp basis can still support their home in the UK so they can return to it at some point. The minute you apply form PR you lose the LAFHA.What is LAFHA? Also, what is the tax status as a 457 visa'd migrant? Do you pay ridiculous levels of tax?
To be leigible you must inform your employer before siging a contract as the contract should be a LAFHA compliant one. Your employer may not like this and claim they don't do LAFHA because there's a small amount of work involved for them but legally they have to give it to you if you ask for it.
What you get is a tax break on your AUS rent and food. you should have to provide evidence of your rent outgoings and then a standard forumla is used for the food allowance.
It's automatically taken care of in your pay packet every motnh, you don't have to claim it seperately. However, it's worth remember ing that it's not really an additional payment it just means that you get a certain amount of your salary tax free therefore your take home pay is higher with LAFHA than without.
Do a google search, there's lots of info but also lots of misconceptions about LAFHA.
To answer your last question, whatever visa your on you pay the same tax levels as a AUS citizen, the top rate is 48% I think but I don't know the various levels.
You will also pay something called "super" which is like a pension payment that goes into an investment fund. Make sure that when you get a salary offer the "super" is on top of that not taken from it. If you want to you can claim you "super" contributions back when you leave Aus.
Tax Rate (shamelessly stolen from the ATO). Also dont forget Medicare Levy of 1.5% on the amounts below.
Tax rates 2010–11
Taxable income
Tax on this income
0 – $6,000
Nil
$6,001 – $37,000
15c for each $1 over $6,000
$37,001 – $80,000
$4,650 plus 30c for each $1 over $37,000
$80,001 – $180,000
$17,550 plus 37c for each $1 over $80,000
$180,001 and over
$54,550 plus 45c for each $1 over $180,000
Tax rates 2010–11
Taxable income
Tax on this income
0 – $6,000
Nil
$6,001 – $37,000
15c for each $1 over $6,000
$37,001 – $80,000
$4,650 plus 30c for each $1 over $37,000
$80,001 – $180,000
$17,550 plus 37c for each $1 over $80,000
$180,001 and over
$54,550 plus 45c for each $1 over $180,000
308mate said:
Burba said:
Thanks all for the input!
Anyone have any contacts at the Hays in Sydney (worth a shot?!)
Can't really help but I'm ex recruitment in Oz and I can tell you Hays are sAnyone have any contacts at the Hays in Sydney (worth a shot?!)
te. It's accepted wisdom in the industry. Try Hill McGlynn or Integrated Group. Thanks for the comprehensive answer custard!
Just been to the Australian Expo in Manchester, and me and Wife and Kids really want to do it. I'm in a field in good demand at the moment (Track Engineer), however due to the ages of the kids, we would be looking for work for me on a 457, and wife and kids come over.
The wife is a nurse, so when they are all at school, she would look for work too.
Would this route present problems for Wife and Kids coming over (I guess what I'm asking is would my 457 cover the whole family?)
Just been to the Australian Expo in Manchester, and me and Wife and Kids really want to do it. I'm in a field in good demand at the moment (Track Engineer), however due to the ages of the kids, we would be looking for work for me on a 457, and wife and kids come over.
The wife is a nurse, so when they are all at school, she would look for work too.
Would this route present problems for Wife and Kids coming over (I guess what I'm asking is would my 457 cover the whole family?)
Burba said:
308mate said:
Burba said:
Thanks all for the input!
Anyone have any contacts at the Hays in Sydney (worth a shot?!)
Can't really help but I'm ex recruitment in Oz and I can tell you Hays are sAnyone have any contacts at the Hays in Sydney (worth a shot?!)
te. It's accepted wisdom in the industry. Try Hill McGlynn or Integrated Group. Failing that, approach a recruiter who deals in the same sector, tell them your experience and what you can about the job and they will probably know who it's for and can chase it up. There are some people who have one recruitment company they trust and will only accept a job via that company. If the employer wants them enough, they will accept them via anyone.
308mate said:
Burba said:
308mate said:
Burba said:
Thanks all for the input!
Anyone have any contacts at the Hays in Sydney (worth a shot?!)
Can't really help but I'm ex recruitment in Oz and I can tell you Hays are sAnyone have any contacts at the Hays in Sydney (worth a shot?!)
te. It's accepted wisdom in the industry. Try Hill McGlynn or Integrated Group. Failing that, approach a recruiter who deals in the same sector, tell them your experience and what you can about the job and they will probably know who it's for and can chase it up. There are some people who have one recruitment company they trust and will only accept a job via that company. If the employer wants them enough, they will accept them via anyone.
Edited by Burba on Monday 9th August 11:04
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