Why Aren't Harnesses Allowed in NSW???
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Such a shame as my Ultima GTR has AU$1000 worth of FIA approved SABELT harnesses fitted but just found out these works of art will have to be replaced with a lap and sash style belt... Bah Humbug! But why?
I know which type I'd rather be wearing when someone pulls a 'Donald Turnupseed' in front of me....
I know which type I'd rather be wearing when someone pulls a 'Donald Turnupseed' in front of me....
Not sure about being able to do it up with one hand.
Retractable belts are defined in the ADRs but at the moment you can pay a dispensation fee in WA to wear a harness.
The reason I've been told is that they must be retractable so that one size fits all, a loose belt can be more dangerous than no belt.
I sympathise because I've got 6 pointers in my clubbie and have to have retractable belts as well.
With a harness not being legal you can be booked for wearing one ( bloody stupid ), a mate uses his retractable lap sash under the harness when on the road you don't notice it and the cops can't get you for it.
Retractable belts are defined in the ADRs but at the moment you can pay a dispensation fee in WA to wear a harness.
The reason I've been told is that they must be retractable so that one size fits all, a loose belt can be more dangerous than no belt.
I sympathise because I've got 6 pointers in my clubbie and have to have retractable belts as well.
With a harness not being legal you can be booked for wearing one ( bloody stupid ), a mate uses his retractable lap sash under the harness when on the road you don't notice it and the cops can't get you for it.
Edited by suthol on Thursday 4th February 01:44
Rob, Use the same mounting eyes as you do for the harnesses to bolt into the mounting plates for the retractors, that way you can leave them both attached at the same time. Only 1 that may be a problem is the bolt were the retractor bolts in. From Memory when i was looking at the car that Bob had in Melbourne the seat belt mount is down low on the side panel behind the seat squab. You should have enough room there to get a retractor in. May need a small adaptor bracket to allow the retractor to mount parallel to the rear bulkhead. Run sash up to another mount (probably need to be a new one on the roll bar) that then allows the sash to come down over your shoulder.
Should be do-able, not impossible.
ryan in melbourne
Should be do-able, not impossible.
ryan in melbourne
There really are some retarded ADRs. I was going to put a roll bar on my MX5 but even for that you have to get an Engineer's certificate, or risk being defected... a roll bar!
There is also an ADR that you have to have the gear selections on the gearknob (or thereabouts). My nice little Momo jobbie too could result in getting defected.
The supercharger and intercooler wouldn't help either.
There is also an ADR that you have to have the gear selections on the gearknob (or thereabouts). My nice little Momo jobbie too could result in getting defected.
The supercharger and intercooler wouldn't help either.
I always thought the harnesses were a 
in all states because most belts come from Europe with an FIA certification or are made to FIA spec which is not recognised by the ADR's. I read the main conflict was something to do with UV degradation and ADR's being much more strict on this.
I have also read that if you can find ADR approved belts with ADR tags on them you should be able to install them with an engineers certificate.
The only company that I know of that do ADR approved seats and harnesses are http://www.autotecnica.com.au/seats.html
I have a feeling that their FIA approved stuff is not ADR approved though. The ADR stuff looks to be 2 inch wide with the regular seatbelt clip rather than the parachute style buckle.
I know Velo do ADR approved seats so it might be worth seeing if their harnesses are also approved.
in all states because most belts come from Europe with an FIA certification or are made to FIA spec which is not recognised by the ADR's. I read the main conflict was something to do with UV degradation and ADR's being much more strict on this.I have also read that if you can find ADR approved belts with ADR tags on them you should be able to install them with an engineers certificate.
The only company that I know of that do ADR approved seats and harnesses are http://www.autotecnica.com.au/seats.html
I have a feeling that their FIA approved stuff is not ADR approved though. The ADR stuff looks to be 2 inch wide with the regular seatbelt clip rather than the parachute style buckle.
I know Velo do ADR approved seats so it might be worth seeing if their harnesses are also approved.
Google [bot] said:
There really are some retarded ADRs. I was going to put a roll bar on my MX5 but even for that you have to get an Engineer's certificate, or risk being defected... a roll bar!
There is also an ADR that you have to have the gear selections on the gearknob (or thereabouts). My nice little Momo jobbie too could result in getting defected.
The supercharger and intercooler wouldn't help either.
Hi All, Is there a list of ADR's in pdf format or similar available. I hope to bring my '74 2002 in to NSW this year. Well I can remove the harnesses (Got retractables as well) but should I remove the internal roll cage as well? It may be different as it's not a soft top. I bought the cage 30 years ago thinking it looked cool and could come in handy one day, now touring cars. As a fully qualified BMW Technician I can't think of anything worse than coming up against a young jobsworth telling me about my car. There is also an ADR that you have to have the gear selections on the gearknob (or thereabouts). My nice little Momo jobbie too could result in getting defected.
The supercharger and intercooler wouldn't help either.
bmsteve said:
Google [bot] said:
There really are some retarded ADRs. I was going to put a roll bar on my MX5 but even for that you have to get an Engineer's certificate, or risk being defected... a roll bar!
There is also an ADR that you have to have the gear selections on the gearknob (or thereabouts). My nice little Momo jobbie too could result in getting defected.
The supercharger and intercooler wouldn't help either.
Hi All, Is there a list of ADR's in pdf format or similar available. I hope to bring my '74 2002 in to NSW this year. Well I can remove the harnesses (Got retractables as well) but should I remove the internal roll cage as well? It may be different as it's not a soft top. I bought the cage 30 years ago thinking it looked cool and could come in handy one day, now touring cars. As a fully qualified BMW Technician I can't think of anything worse than coming up against a young jobsworth telling me about my car. There is also an ADR that you have to have the gear selections on the gearknob (or thereabouts). My nice little Momo jobbie too could result in getting defected.
The supercharger and intercooler wouldn't help either.
Sad fact is, you're moving to a country full of Jobsworths... However, the positives still outweigh the minuses i reckon.
With an engineers approval and the car registered as a 2 seater you should be able to have a half cage. If you want the full cage you would likely have to register the car as a race / rally car which is a whole different game / ballache.
ADR's can be found on here: http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/desig...
You will need to have a good read of the 'National Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Construction and Modification (NCOP)' to: http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_reg...
I think the NCOP is the more useful document as it gives diagrams and numbers to work from and uses much clearer language.
Jump through the hoops to get on the road and do like everyone else and just do what you feel like and cross the bridge of getting a work order when you get to it.
ADR's can be found on here: http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/desig...
You will need to have a good read of the 'National Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Construction and Modification (NCOP)' to: http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_reg...
I think the NCOP is the more useful document as it gives diagrams and numbers to work from and uses much clearer language.
Jump through the hoops to get on the road and do like everyone else and just do what you feel like and cross the bridge of getting a work order when you get to it.
Hi Deviant. Thanks again…on both threads.
A bit of light reading there then!!!!!!!!!!!
What can I say? Fussy or what, does anybody play around with cars out there? Looks pretty challenging to me.
I’m not worried about the cage, that’s just in there because I bought it ‘in my youth’, I’m more worried about the re bore to 2.1 and the ‘mild’ high lift cam with regard to emissions also things like my VW Golf alloys. The brakes are from a 2002 tii and are uprated, what are the implications there?
That’s a lot of questions, can you tell I’m getting nervous and considering hoisting the white flag.
I’ve mailed RTA NSW to see if they can shed any light, my only hope is that its age means it doesn’t get the same level of scrutiny, I looked through most of the NCOP’s but haven’t found any specific exemptions yet.
Looks like the whole car needs certifying, I’m beginning to think that I do too!
Any more thoughts will be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Steve
Ps. Does Stuart work for Google or does bot mean something else, have I just made myself look stupid?
A bit of light reading there then!!!!!!!!!!!
What can I say? Fussy or what, does anybody play around with cars out there? Looks pretty challenging to me.
I’m not worried about the cage, that’s just in there because I bought it ‘in my youth’, I’m more worried about the re bore to 2.1 and the ‘mild’ high lift cam with regard to emissions also things like my VW Golf alloys. The brakes are from a 2002 tii and are uprated, what are the implications there?
That’s a lot of questions, can you tell I’m getting nervous and considering hoisting the white flag.
I’ve mailed RTA NSW to see if they can shed any light, my only hope is that its age means it doesn’t get the same level of scrutiny, I looked through most of the NCOP’s but haven’t found any specific exemptions yet.
Looks like the whole car needs certifying, I’m beginning to think that I do too!
Any more thoughts will be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Steve
Ps. Does Stuart work for Google or does bot mean something else, have I just made myself look stupid?
Stuart thinks it's mildly amusing to masquerade as an electronic entity scouring the web rather than being a real person.
I think you may have a problem with emissions. My understanding is that you have to comply with the legislation brought in just after the car was born, so to speak. The problem is with a car that age (and I may well be wrong, even doubting myself as I type), I think this may mean you have to conform to 1989 emissions regs. But then if that were the case I can't see how any old cars could be imported.
Depending on how much you will use it, you could look at getting 'club rego' which registers the car as a historic vehicle, and places many restrictions on use.
I think I might be painting a blacker picture than is realistic though, just from seeing so much bulls
t.
I think you may have a problem with emissions. My understanding is that you have to comply with the legislation brought in just after the car was born, so to speak. The problem is with a car that age (and I may well be wrong, even doubting myself as I type), I think this may mean you have to conform to 1989 emissions regs. But then if that were the case I can't see how any old cars could be imported.
Depending on how much you will use it, you could look at getting 'club rego' which registers the car as a historic vehicle, and places many restrictions on use.
I think I might be painting a blacker picture than is realistic though, just from seeing so much bulls
t.Now you're writing as if it's not you, I'm confused over here, but then that's not difficult the amount of 'official stuff' I've been reading lately.
Regarding the c.o. I'll be fine at 1250 rpm tick over, ha ha. Maybe I should look for some other Oz forums and see if I can find a real live vehicle tester. Someone at the sharp end will be much wiser, as we know!
Regarding the c.o. I'll be fine at 1250 rpm tick over, ha ha. Maybe I should look for some other Oz forums and see if I can find a real live vehicle tester. Someone at the sharp end will be much wiser, as we know!
Hi bmsteve...I think your best bet is to start sending bulk emails or calling a few workshops out here. I would have thought that with the age of the car you would only need to meet the ADR's of the day.
Don't forget that if it is coming as a personal import or a pre-1989 import its compliance is different to that of other imports or modified cars.
People do still play with cars here but not to the extent people do in the UK. The average modified car you see getting around is from the cut springs, lexus lights and droning exhaust brigade.
Anybody with something a bit special or something that is used for trackdays and the like tend to keep their car locked away, it's to much hassle jumping through the hoops with getting permits for modifications so it is easier to just keep it hidden and only bring it out to drive directly to the event.
If you have a race car that needs to be road driven you can get a very limited registration on that but the level of hoop jumpage is insane.
Don't forget that if it is coming as a personal import or a pre-1989 import its compliance is different to that of other imports or modified cars.
People do still play with cars here but not to the extent people do in the UK. The average modified car you see getting around is from the cut springs, lexus lights and droning exhaust brigade.
Anybody with something a bit special or something that is used for trackdays and the like tend to keep their car locked away, it's to much hassle jumping through the hoops with getting permits for modifications so it is easier to just keep it hidden and only bring it out to drive directly to the event.
If you have a race car that needs to be road driven you can get a very limited registration on that but the level of hoop jumpage is insane.
It isn’t a race or rally car, just an ornament that I’ve spent years restoring and altering to my own spec, using genuine BMW parts where possible.
I need to use it as a second car, so getting club membership and going only to events won’t suffice.
I’ve just spoken to a workshop in Sydney to try and get some clarification.
With regard to ADR’s, people do drive around ‘illegally’ but if they get caught then the vehicle is taken off the road until fixed….he said.
The ADR’s at the time of manufacture apply, so that must be better.
I need to transport the car to his garage ($?)
I need to obtain an engineering certificate to check ADR compliance. ($400) , then I need to get a blue slip which checks the car is roadworthy, oil leaks, bald tyres etc ($150), then I need to get a green slip (insurance) ($700), then you can get it registered ($?).
I then mentioned I had improved the front brakes by fitting the ones from a tii (fuel Injection), in that case it would need a brake test he said, takes about a day and costs $1400…gulp, the gearbox change would probably get checked at the engineering certificate stage, I was too scared to ask him about the sport suspension or high lift cam!!!!
So, big thanks to Johnnie at Mobility Engineering Horsnby!!
I Have to say that’s put the frighteners on me, anyone else got a plan????
Thanks
I need to use it as a second car, so getting club membership and going only to events won’t suffice.
I’ve just spoken to a workshop in Sydney to try and get some clarification.
With regard to ADR’s, people do drive around ‘illegally’ but if they get caught then the vehicle is taken off the road until fixed….he said.
The ADR’s at the time of manufacture apply, so that must be better.
I need to transport the car to his garage ($?)
I need to obtain an engineering certificate to check ADR compliance. ($400) , then I need to get a blue slip which checks the car is roadworthy, oil leaks, bald tyres etc ($150), then I need to get a green slip (insurance) ($700), then you can get it registered ($?).
I then mentioned I had improved the front brakes by fitting the ones from a tii (fuel Injection), in that case it would need a brake test he said, takes about a day and costs $1400…gulp, the gearbox change would probably get checked at the engineering certificate stage, I was too scared to ask him about the sport suspension or high lift cam!!!!
So, big thanks to Johnnie at Mobility Engineering Horsnby!!
I Have to say that’s put the frighteners on me, anyone else got a plan????
Thanks
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