P plate / L plate restrictions
Discussion
All the standard restrictions on P1 and P2 will still apply except for one - as she is over 25 there is no restriction on carrying passengers under 21 after 11pm.
There are no restrictions on type of vehicle an l plater can drive, so the current car can still be used to teach her. However, once she gets her P plates she will no longer be allowed to drive it (and no, that doesn't make sense to me either).
There are no restrictions on type of vehicle an l plater can drive, so the current car can still be used to teach her. However, once she gets her P plates she will no longer be allowed to drive it (and no, that doesn't make sense to me either).
deviant said:
WTF?!? So a new driver can do all those log book hours and pass a practical test to government set standards in any car but then they are not allowed to go out and drive it on their own?!?! That doesnt make a lick of sense to me!
Here you go Jimmy, you have never sat behind the wheel of a car before. Have the keys to an R35 GTR, but it's ok because your mother, who can't drive to save her life, will be sat beside you. 12 months and over 120 hours later, little Jimmy gets his P plates. Not only can he not drive the GTR he also cannot drive the ultra high performance Saab 9-3 1.8 low pressure turbo. Instead, the RTA thinks that a nice VN Commodore is a much safer car for an inexperienced driver.
Yeah. Makes sense.
I'm just grateful for small mercies, 120hrs is a long time in the passenger seat. I think it's probably better to sit next to her in my car and wince rather than have to sit in a little hatchback for 120hrs!
Just need to work out insurance, if you see an E92 M3 with L plates on, a panic stricken male in the passenger seat and his vertically challenged wife peering over the top of the wheel at least you know who it is.
Just need to work out insurance, if you see an E92 M3 with L plates on, a panic stricken male in the passenger seat and his vertically challenged wife peering over the top of the wheel at least you know who it is.
Just pointless bureacrats more than anything
Hell, a Smart Car was banned for a while (might still be banned for all I know) because it had that evil 5 letter word - Turbo.
The legislation was drafted by someone with no idea about cars - which was why things like the BMW M3, Nissan 350Z, Honda NSX etc etc were originally left of the list whilst cars like the Merc C180K and Saab 9-3/9-5 were banned. And those ones still are.
When it comes down to it I would much prefer an 18 year old kid was out in a Merc C180K with it's high performance "supercharger" and high 9sec 0-100 time than a straigh 6, mid 90s RWD Falcon, with poor traction and poor safety and a low 8 sec 0-100 time.
Hell, a Smart Car was banned for a while (might still be banned for all I know) because it had that evil 5 letter word - Turbo.
The legislation was drafted by someone with no idea about cars - which was why things like the BMW M3, Nissan 350Z, Honda NSX etc etc were originally left of the list whilst cars like the Merc C180K and Saab 9-3/9-5 were banned. And those ones still are.
When it comes down to it I would much prefer an 18 year old kid was out in a Merc C180K with it's high performance "supercharger" and high 9sec 0-100 time than a straigh 6, mid 90s RWD Falcon, with poor traction and poor safety and a low 8 sec 0-100 time.
I'm sure that if there was a compulsory insurance system like in the UK most of the problems would dissapear....there are loads of kids getting about in Skylines and the like with no insurance because it would cost them $3000 for third party. Just make it compulsory with a decent punishment for not having it and all of a sudden the vehicles that would be a weapon with a 17 year old would be out of reach.
The other advantage to this is that we no longer have to live in fear of our property being damaged and the other person being un-insured.
The other advantage to this is that we no longer have to live in fear of our property being damaged and the other person being un-insured.
You can apply for an exemption:
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/gettingalicenc...
Though with the amount of P-plate WRX/Skylines etc etc around it's amazing you'd need one unless your cruising George St.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/gettingalicenc...
Though with the amount of P-plate WRX/Skylines etc etc around it's amazing you'd need one unless your cruising George St.
deviant said:
I'm sure that if there was a compulsory insurance system like in the UK most of the problems would dissapear....there are loads of kids getting about in Skylines and the like with no insurance because it would cost them $3000 for third party. Just make it compulsory with a decent punishment for not having it and all of a sudden the vehicles that would be a weapon with a 17 year old would be out of reach.
The other advantage to this is that we no longer have to live in fear of our property being damaged and the other person being un-insured.
Third Party is Compulsory in NSW. Have to pay it along with rego each year. The other advantage to this is that we no longer have to live in fear of our property being damaged and the other person being un-insured.
The reason you see some P platers with turbos is the rule was brought in about 2 years ago. Those that already had their Provisional licence were exempt.
Colonial said:
deviant said:
I'm sure that if there was a compulsory insurance system like in the UK most of the problems would dissapear....there are loads of kids getting about in Skylines and the like with no insurance because it would cost them $3000 for third party. Just make it compulsory with a decent punishment for not having it and all of a sudden the vehicles that would be a weapon with a 17 year old would be out of reach.
The other advantage to this is that we no longer have to live in fear of our property being damaged and the other person being un-insured.
Third Party is Compulsory in NSW. Have to pay it along with rego each year. The other advantage to this is that we no longer have to live in fear of our property being damaged and the other person being un-insured.
The reason you see some P platers with turbos is the rule was brought in about 2 years ago. Those that already had their Provisional licence were exempt.
It might teach some motorists a bit of personal responsibility if they have to worry about their own insurance to.
List of prohibited vehicles is here
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/gettingalicenc...
The stupidest thing about the p plate restrictions is the speed limits, 90 clicks for P1 and 100 for P2, probably makes it more dangerous for them as they are then much slower than most traffic, especially in sydney where everyone is already going 10-20km/h over the limit most of the time.
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/gettingalicenc...
The stupidest thing about the p plate restrictions is the speed limits, 90 clicks for P1 and 100 for P2, probably makes it more dangerous for them as they are then much slower than most traffic, especially in sydney where everyone is already going 10-20km/h over the limit most of the time.
Totally backwards and unnecessary - also means we have to buy another car for my wife when she gets her license.
Probably get her a V6 RWD Falcon with no traction control, ABS or airbags - because thats what the government deem safer than my FWD Golf with traction control, 8 airbags, ABS etc.
Probably get her a V6 RWD Falcon with no traction control, ABS or airbags - because thats what the government deem safer than my FWD Golf with traction control, 8 airbags, ABS etc.
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