P plate / L plate restrictions

P plate / L plate restrictions

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SydneyPom

Original Poster:

221 posts

183 months

Monday 6th July 2009
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Does anyone know what the rules are as regard cars in NSW?

Someone told me no V8's and no turbos? Does that still apply past a certain age? My Mrs (31yo) is just learning to drive, have ordered her a mini but want to know if she can drive my car in the interim (4.0l V8).

Colonial

13,553 posts

210 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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All the standard restrictions on P1 and P2 will still apply except for one - as she is over 25 there is no restriction on carrying passengers under 21 after 11pm.

There are no restrictions on type of vehicle an l plater can drive, so the current car can still be used to teach her. However, once she gets her P plates she will no longer be allowed to drive it (and no, that doesn't make sense to me either).

deviant

4,316 posts

215 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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WTF?!? So a new driver can do all those log book hours and pass a practical test to government set standards in any car but then they are not allowed to go out and drive it on their own?!?! That doesnt make a lick of sense to me!

Colonial

13,553 posts

210 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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deviant said:
WTF?!? So a new driver can do all those log book hours and pass a practical test to government set standards in any car but then they are not allowed to go out and drive it on their own?!?! That doesnt make a lick of sense to me!
Here you go Jimmy, you have never sat behind the wheel of a car before. Have the keys to an R35 GTR, but it's ok because your mother, who can't drive to save her life, will be sat beside you.

12 months and over 120 hours later, little Jimmy gets his P plates. Not only can he not drive the GTR he also cannot drive the ultra high performance Saab 9-3 1.8 low pressure turbo. Instead, the RTA thinks that a nice VN Commodore is a much safer car for an inexperienced driver.

Yeah. Makes sense.

SydneyPom

Original Poster:

221 posts

183 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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I'm just grateful for small mercies, 120hrs is a long time in the passenger seat. I think it's probably better to sit next to her in my car and wince rather than have to sit in a little hatchback for 120hrs!

Just need to work out insurance, if you see an E92 M3 with L plates on, a panic stricken male in the passenger seat and his vertically challenged wife peering over the top of the wheel at least you know who it is.

Colonial

13,553 posts

210 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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If it helps, most insurance cos. do not charge any extra for teaching a family member/partner how to drive - it is only once they are legally able to drive that they do.

Hell, I learnt to drive on a WRX then graduated to a 1992 Subaru L series station wagon.

fluffnik

20,156 posts

232 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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Colonial said:
Yeah. Makes sense.
Sounds like your government is in need of a thorough numpty purge too...

Colonial

13,553 posts

210 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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Just pointless bureacrats more than anything

Hell, a Smart Car was banned for a while (might still be banned for all I know) because it had that evil 5 letter word - Turbo.

The legislation was drafted by someone with no idea about cars - which was why things like the BMW M3, Nissan 350Z, Honda NSX etc etc were originally left of the list whilst cars like the Merc C180K and Saab 9-3/9-5 were banned. And those ones still are.

When it comes down to it I would much prefer an 18 year old kid was out in a Merc C180K with it's high performance "supercharger" and high 9sec 0-100 time than a straigh 6, mid 90s RWD Falcon, with poor traction and poor safety and a low 8 sec 0-100 time.

deviant

4,316 posts

215 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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I'm sure that if there was a compulsory insurance system like in the UK most of the problems would dissapear....there are loads of kids getting about in Skylines and the like with no insurance because it would cost them $3000 for third party. Just make it compulsory with a decent punishment for not having it and all of a sudden the vehicles that would be a weapon with a 17 year old would be out of reach.

The other advantage to this is that we no longer have to live in fear of our property being damaged and the other person being un-insured.

Google [bot]

6,686 posts

186 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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You can apply for an exemption:

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/gettingalicenc...

Though with the amount of P-plate WRX/Skylines etc etc around it's amazing you'd need one unless your cruising George St.

Colonial

13,553 posts

210 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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deviant said:
I'm sure that if there was a compulsory insurance system like in the UK most of the problems would dissapear....there are loads of kids getting about in Skylines and the like with no insurance because it would cost them $3000 for third party. Just make it compulsory with a decent punishment for not having it and all of a sudden the vehicles that would be a weapon with a 17 year old would be out of reach.

The other advantage to this is that we no longer have to live in fear of our property being damaged and the other person being un-insured.
Third Party is Compulsory in NSW. Have to pay it along with rego each year.

The reason you see some P platers with turbos is the rule was brought in about 2 years ago. Those that already had their Provisional licence were exempt.

deviant

4,316 posts

215 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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Colonial said:
deviant said:
I'm sure that if there was a compulsory insurance system like in the UK most of the problems would dissapear....there are loads of kids getting about in Skylines and the like with no insurance because it would cost them $3000 for third party. Just make it compulsory with a decent punishment for not having it and all of a sudden the vehicles that would be a weapon with a 17 year old would be out of reach.

The other advantage to this is that we no longer have to live in fear of our property being damaged and the other person being un-insured.
Third Party is Compulsory in NSW. Have to pay it along with rego each year.

The reason you see some P platers with turbos is the rule was brought in about 2 years ago. Those that already had their Provisional licence were exempt.
Third party property. We have the CTP here to but that only covers personal medical....though having seen a friend go through the hell of trying to claim off of it and sue the other party for the property damage I have no faith in that system.

It might teach some motorists a bit of personal responsibility if they have to worry about their own insurance to.

Colonial

13,553 posts

210 months

Tuesday 7th July 2009
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Sorry mate, my misunderstanding over what you were saying. 100% correct.

SleeperCell

5,591 posts

247 months

Thursday 16th July 2009
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List of prohibited vehicles is here
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/gettingalicenc...

The stupidest thing about the p plate restrictions is the speed limits, 90 clicks for P1 and 100 for P2, probably makes it more dangerous for them as they are then much slower than most traffic, especially in sydney where everyone is already going 10-20km/h over the limit most of the time.

thehawk

9,335 posts

212 months

Sunday 26th July 2009
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Totally backwards and unnecessary - also means we have to buy another car for my wife when she gets her license.

Probably get her a V6 RWD Falcon with no traction control, ABS or airbags - because thats what the government deem safer than my FWD Golf with traction control, 8 airbags, ABS etc.