About that BMW crash in Riverton...
Discussion
Its really very sad. I feel for the parents, it must be terrible.
However, in the paper and on the news they keep saying it was the parents car.
Strange how the 'parents' BMW has replica M3 alloys and had a sub in the boot. Perhaps it was a present for passing test and is the 'parents' car for insurance purposes?
However, in the paper and on the news they keep saying it was the parents car.
Strange how the 'parents' BMW has replica M3 alloys and had a sub in the boot. Perhaps it was a present for passing test and is the 'parents' car for insurance purposes?
You know,i agree its not what 'we' (with a bit of experience) might call a quick car, but at 17, a 140bhp rwd car would have been crazy, and in this story, a total recipe for disaster.
I had a Ford Orion 1.4 (GL you know) and i got into plenty of near wipeout experiences. I dread to think what i would have done with a 318.
Actually isnt a 318 actually a 1.9?
Does anyone have the full list of planned banned cars?
And also what happens to P platers already driving one of the banned cars? Will they have to sell it?
Tim, whats your view on this ban malarkey, given that you are teaching your young daughter to drive sometimes in your Monaro?
I had a Ford Orion 1.4 (GL you know) and i got into plenty of near wipeout experiences. I dread to think what i would have done with a 318.
Actually isnt a 318 actually a 1.9?
Does anyone have the full list of planned banned cars?
And also what happens to P platers already driving one of the banned cars? Will they have to sell it?
Tim, whats your view on this ban malarkey, given that you are teaching your young daughter to drive sometimes in your Monaro?
The law on high performance vehicles in the hands of inexeprienced drivers is being bypassed on a regular basis.
All they have to do is front up with their Skyline, WRX etc and claim they purchased it before the law was introduced, one kid here in NSW is running around in his Fezza on red P plates.
Must have been about 13 when he bought it.
All they have to do is front up with their Skyline, WRX etc and claim they purchased it before the law was introduced, one kid here in NSW is running around in his Fezza on red P plates.
Must have been about 13 when he bought it.
There is a list around somewhere but to cut a long story short its very similar to the eastern states. No turbocharged, supercharged or high performance 6 and 8 cylinder cars. I think it does allow some vehicles through though...I.E. Turbo diesel vehicles or vehicles that are not deemed to be high performance so turbocharged work vehicles like wagons and trucks.
Some areas over east work on a power / weight ratio restriction which sort of works.
It still has not come in to effect yet but if it is anything like the eastern states if you already had your license or vehicle before a cut off date you would not be required to comply with the rules....however looking at the link below it says all current P platers in their first 6 months of driving must comply with the new P Plate laws so maybe they will be forcing people in to selling their cars.
There is a bit of info here about the new license laws: http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/licensing/yourlicence/156...
Personally I think the entire system is complete BS, its more expensive and takes longer to get a license but people are still not learning the basics of safe driving and roadcraft.
Some areas over east work on a power / weight ratio restriction which sort of works.
It still has not come in to effect yet but if it is anything like the eastern states if you already had your license or vehicle before a cut off date you would not be required to comply with the rules....however looking at the link below it says all current P platers in their first 6 months of driving must comply with the new P Plate laws so maybe they will be forcing people in to selling their cars.
There is a bit of info here about the new license laws: http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/licensing/yourlicence/156...
Personally I think the entire system is complete BS, its more expensive and takes longer to get a license but people are still not learning the basics of safe driving and roadcraft.
suthol said:
The law on high performance vehicles in the hands of inexeprienced drivers is being bypassed on a regular basis.
All they have to do is front up with their Skyline, WRX etc and claim they purchased it before the law was introduced, one kid here in NSW is running around in his Fezza on red P plates.
Must have been about 13 when he bought it.
Don't think it is as easy to get around in VIC. I think that the law goes on the date on the license, not when a car was purchased or even age. My daughter learned to drive when we moved to Oz, she was 21. She is on P's and still not allowed to drive high power cars. If I understand the current wording then a P plater cannot drive an car with more than 125kW per tonne, from July 2007 no new P Plater is allowed to drive a turbo charged car, (not sure about diesel). However, that is no limit. When I was a kid, the goal was to get 100hp per tonne in an Escort or a mini. All they have to do is front up with their Skyline, WRX etc and claim they purchased it before the law was introduced, one kid here in NSW is running around in his Fezza on red P plates.
Must have been about 13 when he bought it.
What model 318i and what happened?
I had a 318is when I was 18. I managed to never wrap it around a tree.
Considering a Corolla (ie, the best small car for a young driver around) is quicker I really don't see how performance restrictions can even be talked about.
It's a tragedy, but you can break the speed limit in any car. And you kill yourself doing something stupid in any car.
tbh, I see something like an e46 318i as a perfect first car. Slow, predictable, safe.
I had a 318is when I was 18. I managed to never wrap it around a tree.
Considering a Corolla (ie, the best small car for a young driver around) is quicker I really don't see how performance restrictions can even be talked about.
It's a tragedy, but you can break the speed limit in any car. And you kill yourself doing something stupid in any car.
tbh, I see something like an e46 318i as a perfect first car. Slow, predictable, safe.
Colonial said:
What model 318i and what happened?
I had a 318is when I was 18. I managed to never wrap it around a tree.
Considering a Corolla (ie, the best small car for a young driver around) is quicker I really don't see how performance restrictions can even be talked about.
It's a tragedy, but you can break the speed limit in any car. And you kill yourself doing something stupid in any car.
tbh, I see something like an e46 318i as a perfect first car. Slow, predictable, safe.
Indeed, the e46 wil probably have DSC too. And if you had to crash, it's probably one of the better places to be. It's the sort of car I'd be happy to give a kid.I had a 318is when I was 18. I managed to never wrap it around a tree.
Considering a Corolla (ie, the best small car for a young driver around) is quicker I really don't see how performance restrictions can even be talked about.
It's a tragedy, but you can break the speed limit in any car. And you kill yourself doing something stupid in any car.
tbh, I see something like an e46 318i as a perfect first car. Slow, predictable, safe.
From memory early 318s are wheesy 1.9s. Later ones have 2.0 valvetronic engines. However I would only consider them adequate and never fast.
I had a turbo nutter hot hatch as my first car. The flip side is that with the performance car, you also get grip, handling and good brakes. Soemtimes it's about avoiding the accident in the first place and for that, this helps!
Fiddlemesticks said:
You know,i agree its not what 'we' (with a bit of experience) might call a quick car, but at 17, a 140bhp rwd car would have been crazy, and in this story, a total recipe for disaster.
I had a Ford Orion 1.4 (GL you know) and i got into plenty of near wipeout experiences. I dread to think what i would have done with a 318.
Actually isnt a 318 actually a 1.9?
Does anyone have the full list of planned banned cars?
And also what happens to P platers already driving one of the banned cars? Will they have to sell it?
Tim, whats your view on this ban malarkey, given that you are teaching your young daughter to drive sometimes in your Monaro?
My first car was a GTR Torana. Didn't do anything too stupid in it. In fact I used it to do the WASCC driving school and my first track days.I had a Ford Orion 1.4 (GL you know) and i got into plenty of near wipeout experiences. I dread to think what i would have done with a 318.
Actually isnt a 318 actually a 1.9?
Does anyone have the full list of planned banned cars?
And also what happens to P platers already driving one of the banned cars? Will they have to sell it?
Tim, whats your view on this ban malarkey, given that you are teaching your young daughter to drive sometimes in your Monaro?
I'm actually in favour of restricting first cars. Basic transport could be seen as a right (although I'm not convinced) but anything more should be earned. I would propose advanced training and a test of car control to get a higher level licence for HP cars.
Nikki has only driven the Monaro once, she really doesn't want to learn a manual even though I keep trying to convince her. Usually use her Mum's BA XR6 (auto) for lessons.
VYT said:
Don't think it is as easy to get around in VIC. I think that the law goes on the date on the license, not when a car was purchased or even age. My daughter learned to drive when we moved to Oz, she was 21. She is on P's and still not allowed to drive high power cars. If I understand the current wording then a P plater cannot drive an car with more than 125kW per tonne, from July 2007 no new P Plater is allowed to drive a turbo charged car, (not sure about diesel). However, that is no limit. When I was a kid, the goal was to get 100hp per tonne in an Escort or a mini.
The 125Kw rule (and displacement rule) has been in force since the late 80's / early 90's. But back then all the traffic cops paid attention to was kids driving HSV's. I was nicked by a traffic cop driving a E36 M3 on P's, and done for failing to display (learnt from that one - don't draw attention to yourself by being a smartarse to the police who was patrolling with moving radar, and you have an illegal radar detector...). Didn't have a clue I was driving an over powered car. Most Jap turbo cars where borderline or just over, such as WRX's. No one I knew was done by the overpowered car rule (I remember Lindsay Fox's son driving his F40 it landed in the 80's), but we had our fun well away from the public eye, and away from the Dandy Drags that Today Tonight would sensationalise. noumenon said:
I had a turbo nutter hot hatch as my first car. The flip side is that with the performance car, you also get grip, handling and good brakes. Soemtimes it's about avoiding the accident in the first place and for that, this helps!
The other side to that though is your giving the inexperienced driver something that they think will save them, therefore pushing the boundaries even further, without the driving knowledge to back it up, just believing that the car will rescue them if they get into difficulties, which of course are now much worse than a lesser car, in terms of speed.They should have tiny engines, but HUGE brakes.
By the way, I had a 950cc Fiesta Popular Plus
as my first car, and I scared myself a few times in that.
did I just say that out loud Edited by toomuchbeer on Tuesday 2nd September 08:35
toomuchbeer said:
noumenon said:
I had a turbo nutter hot hatch as my first car. The flip side is that with the performance car, you also get grip, handling and good brakes. Soemtimes it's about avoiding the accident in the first place and for that, this helps!
The other side to that though is your giving the inexperienced driver something that they think will save them, therefore pushing the boundaries even further, without the driving knowledge to back it up, just believing that the car will rescue them if they get into difficulties, which of course are now much worse than a lesser car, in terms of speed.They should have tiny engines, but HUGE brakes.
By the way, I had a 950cc Fiesta Popular Plus
as my first car, and I scared myself a few times in that. did I just say that out loud Edited by toomuchbeer on Tuesday 2nd September 08:35
The best safety device would be a big high steel spike, pointed straight from the steering wheel at your chest. Imagine how you'd drive with that in the car.
toomuchbeer said:
noumenon said:
I had a turbo nutter hot hatch as my first car. The flip side is that with the performance car, you also get grip, handling and good brakes. Soemtimes it's about avoiding the accident in the first place and for that, this helps!
The other side to that though is your giving the inexperienced driver something that they think will save them, therefore pushing the boundaries even further, without the driving knowledge to back it up, just believing that the car will rescue them if they get into difficulties, which of course are now much worse than a lesser car, in terms of speed.They should have tiny engines, but HUGE brakes.
By the way, I had a 950cc Fiesta Popular Plus
as my first car, and I scared myself a few times in that. did I just say that out loud Edited by toomuchbeer on Tuesday 2nd September 08:35
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