Heads up: bring money over from uk - keep records!

Heads up: bring money over from uk - keep records!

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Pommygranite

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14,306 posts

221 months

Monday 27th February 2012
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Got a lovely letter from ATO asking where a lump sum came from in 2007 received from the UK. It was from my house sale that took place before I moved out but the money wasn't transferred until 6 mths later when I was physically here.

So now I have to get proof from the conveyancing solicitor (whom I can't remember who is it) or my bank acct (which has now closed) or the mortgage company (which will be a pain trying to get an email response from). All within 3 weeks. If I can't get it in time then it becomes assessable income. FML.

I sense a battle.

So kids, if you move out keep all records for at least 5 years....


Bibbs

3,733 posts

215 months

Monday 27th February 2012
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Bloody hell, after 5 years? I take it that is the maximum limit?

randomwalk

534 posts

169 months

Monday 27th February 2012
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yeah its 5 yrs, used to be 7 yrs.

Colinbentley

164 posts

153 months

Monday 9th April 2012
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I'm now retired, but when I was working I kept al my financial documentation for 7 years. I thought it was still 7 years.

johnfm

13,668 posts

255 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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How the fk do they know about it?

Does the ITO track people's bank accounts?

Burnedout

478 posts

195 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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The ATO tracks all banking for tax purposes. Amounts over 10k are tracked by Austrack which was set up to deal with money laundering.
Naturally the ATO would have access to Austrack data.

Pommygranite

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14,306 posts

221 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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In this instance Westpac reported it to the ATO so I figure it a bank reporting requirement.

Bibbs

3,733 posts

215 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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If someone in the UK was to send me money .. a five figure amount. How would be best to :-

a. not pay tax or anything on it?
b. not have the police kick my door in?

Pommygranite

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14,306 posts

221 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Depends on the source. For it to be non-assessable then it has to effectively be a gift or income from a non-assessable income source (I.e. sale of principal private residence).

Bibbs

3,733 posts

215 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Pommygranite said:
Depends on the source. For it to be non-assessable then it has to effectively be a gift or income from a non-assessable income source (I.e. sale of principal private residence).
Family Gift .. just like on the customs forms. Cheers.

Pommygranite

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14,306 posts

221 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Might be an idea to get the family members bank statement for this period showing the funds entering and leaving their acct - that's your proof and saves trying to get copies in 5-7 years as I've just found is not that easy...

yorky500

1,715 posts

196 months

Tuesday 17th April 2012
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What about if you are transferring funds over to Aus which you have saved whilst in a different Country - i.e. the funds are being transferred so you can get a decent start over there?

Pommygranite

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14,306 posts

221 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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yorky500 said:
What about if you are transferring funds over to Aus which you have saved whilst in a different Country - i.e. the funds are being transferred so you can get a decent start over there?
Thats fine as that is due to funds accrued, earned and received whilst you were resident and living in the UK. Their issue is the receipt of funds from abroad once living in Australia due to the question that they may have been earnt whilst you were an Australian resident and therefore tax is payable on them.

yorky500

1,715 posts

196 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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Pommygranite said:
yorky500 said:
What about if you are transferring funds over to Aus which you have saved whilst in a different Country - i.e. the funds are being transferred so you can get a decent start over there?
Thats fine as that is due to funds accrued, earned and received whilst you were resident and living in the UK. Their issue is the receipt of funds from abroad once living in Australia due to the question that they may have been earnt whilst you were an Australian resident and therefore tax is payable on them.
Think you get taxed on the interest earned irrespective. I am also talking to a potential Employer in Aus and I think I would need to seriously get some advise from an Accountant first before coming over. I want to know what deductibles there are to offset such a heavy tax burden. I already have a house in Aus which I don't pay taxes on as I do not meet the criteria, even though it is rented out, plus my ex-wife and daughter are soon to move there and I still pay Maintenance schooling for my daughter!

robm3

4,930 posts

232 months

Monday 23rd April 2012
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This is going to prove a headache for me too.

I had an investment that came to fruition in the UK about 12 months after I arrived back in Oz. The investment itself had been three years in the making.
I would presume that ATO would take a amoritized amount for tax over the period I was here e.g. 12 months out of the 36 but advice I'm getting is they will require CGT on the whole lot!!

It's a seven figure sum too so no small amount we're talking about!



onny

325 posts

267 months

Monday 23rd April 2012
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Depending on the terms of your investment. If its a final one off payment on the 3rd year only then you'll be hit will CGT on the entire profit. Its like buying and selling shares. But remember because you have had the investment for over 12 months then you will be taxed based on 50% of the capital gains and if the investment is in your and your wife's name then you can split the profit and hopefully pay less tax.

If you're talking about a 7 figure profit then I would move overseas for a bit and become non resident for tax purposes and then transfer the money in. Either way you will without question get a call from the ATO if you transfer the fund into Australia purely because of the size of the fund. Maybe not straight away but you will get a call.

Pommygranite

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14,306 posts

221 months

Monday 23rd April 2012
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Or keep in the UK and spend here on a UK Credit Card wink

onny

325 posts

267 months

Monday 23rd April 2012
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Pommygranite said:
Or keep in the UK and spend here on a UK Credit Card wink
The problem with that route is the credit card charges and low exchange rate you will get withdrawing from a credit card. Its going to cost you about 7% doing it this way. This will only work if you are dealing with small amount. If its a 7 figure sum then you'll be going to the ATM everyday for years.

If you need large sum for say a house deposit then even if you do small withdraws and when you deposit over $10K or lots of small amounts that totals a large deposit into your bank account here then the ATO will also call you as well.

Pommygranite

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14,306 posts

221 months

Monday 23rd April 2012
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onny said:
Pommygranite said:
Or keep in the UK and spend here on a UK Credit Card wink
The problem with that route is the credit card charges and low exchange rate you will get withdrawing from a credit card. Its going to cost you about 7% doing it this way. This will only work if you are dealing with small amount. If its a 7 figure sum then you'll be going to the ATM everyday for years.

If you need large sum for say a house deposit then even if you do small withdraws and when you deposit over $10K or lots of small amounts that totals a large deposit into your bank account here then the ATO will also call you as well.
I believe 7% is lower than 46.5% smile

Just spend on the CC don't draw cash off.

robm3

4,930 posts

232 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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onny said:
Pommygranite said:
Or keep in the UK and spend here on a UK Credit Card wink
The problem with that route is the credit card charges and low exchange rate you will get withdrawing from a credit card. Its going to cost you about 7% doing it this way. This will only work if you are dealing with small amount. If its a 7 figure sum then you'll be going to the ATM everyday for years.

If you need large sum for say a house deposit then even if you do small withdraws and when you deposit over $10K or lots of small amounts that totals a large deposit into your bank account here then the ATO will also call you as well.
Actually, I have another US$570K that hasn't dropped in yet as well. My master plan is to deposit into UK account, buy a stonking great boat, bring that in paying 5% import duty, then sell at some point way in the future. Anyone see any possible flaws in that plan?