Importing pre-89 - Would you and what?
Discussion
Currently day dreaming whilst waiting for my works laptop to boot up and looking at the good xchance rate and a small loving of 80's cars (and crap films but that's another thread...) was wondering what you would import and what is great value if done.
We may have had a thread on this recently but couldn't find it.
I see Ferrari 512BB', Testarossas for not too much, Countach still low in comparison to other metal and Astons within reach.
I'm dreaming but it's thought provoking.
I also wonder if as time moves the pre-89 rule will move and pre-99 will be possible and then that 94 348TS for $40k will be mine.....
We may have had a thread on this recently but couldn't find it.
I see Ferrari 512BB', Testarossas for not too much, Countach still low in comparison to other metal and Astons within reach.
I'm dreaming but it's thought provoking.
I also wonder if as time moves the pre-89 rule will move and pre-99 will be possible and then that 94 348TS for $40k will be mine.....
I was / am thinking about doing this and I used something like this to do the sums on...now I didn't get as far as checking whether the modifications etc made it fall foul of the rules but if I were to import, I am thinking something along these lines...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3279448.htm
I am thinking about this, run the car for a while and then sell on.... the thing is after doing the sums there is profit in it but factors such as selling on time and erosion of profit from anything from customs/quarantine from taking a while to sell so I am left unsure whether the hassle is worth it...
I am not looking to make a fortune but to won some interesting cars that partially pay for themselves...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3279448.htm
I am thinking about this, run the car for a while and then sell on.... the thing is after doing the sums there is profit in it but factors such as selling on time and erosion of profit from anything from customs/quarantine from taking a while to sell so I am left unsure whether the hassle is worth it...
I am not looking to make a fortune but to won some interesting cars that partially pay for themselves...
Bob the Planner said:
Its a pity this is just a bit too young http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3299603.htm
Not necessarily, it goes by build date, that could well be eligible Bob, so get it bought.ETA: Your next issue is LHD (in NSW), which I believe for road use is >25 years old. So you can store it for a cpouple of years.
I'd be looking at a classic 911. Ferrari's of that era are a little fragile compared (but a 288 or F40 would be nice).
I think there is good money to be made on old NSXs, but they are all 1990+ I think.
16500 quid
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3072676.htm
57000 bucks
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/detail...Ntk=CarAll&__Nne=15&__Dx=mode matchany&__D=nsx&silo=1011&seot=1&__sid=13345C6F2DEF&__N=1216 1246 1247 1252 1282&Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&Qpb=1&__Ntx=mode matchallpartial&Cr=6&Ntt=nsx&trecs=7
I think there is good money to be made on old NSXs, but they are all 1990+ I think.
16500 quid
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3072676.htm
57000 bucks
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/detail...Ntk=CarAll&__Nne=15&__Dx=mode matchany&__D=nsx&silo=1011&seot=1&__sid=13345C6F2DEF&__N=1216 1246 1247 1252 1282&Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&Qpb=1&__Ntx=mode matchallpartial&Cr=6&Ntt=nsx&trecs=7
Edited by Bibbs on Thursday 27th October 04:28
Pre-89 imports got a lot more complicated about 12 months back.
The gist of it now is that you CAN import modified cars IF you can prove the modifications were carried out prior to 1989.
If you can not prove this DOTARS reset the date of manufacture of the vehicle to the date of import application and will reject the import application. This resetting of the date of manufacture is a bit of a contentious issue.
How do DOTARS make this determination that a vehicle is modified? Simply off a photo you must provide with the application to import, the application form has no space to list modifications and the import documents do NOT list anywhere what is acceptable modifications or not. Cars are being rejected just for having flashy paint jobs and aftermarket wheels off of the say so of someone at a desk at DOTARS. Any sort of engine swap is a massive no no.
Why did DOTARS do this? The initial trigger came from customs inspecting shipments and finding a few to many reproduction hot rods and American cars built from brand spanking new re-production bodies and chassis with brand new running gear in them but all the paperwork showing '1932 Ford' or '1969 Camaro'.
I can understand this to a point but the real s
t thing here is that as usual the various government departments do not communicate. On a federal level DOTARS and Customs have essentially got the import business shut down but on a state level all these cars have systems in place where they can be registered and used on the roads. You can build a 32 Ford hot rod here with all brand new components and register it but they have stopped people importing a car built in exactly the same way. In fact some people import all their parts from the US, assemble them here and get on the road!
This piss taking is affecting everyone though. I know of people that have purchased 30's-40's that are as Henry Ford made them apart from newer wheels and new paint and the applications are being rejected leaving them stuck with a car in the states.
Having said alllll of this....That Porsche linked up there would probably get in okay. It doesnt look to modified so would probably pass the picture test. Putting 'recreation' on the application would get it lumped in with the rejected hot rods though. It may be that they ask for further photos or a statement the car is not modified.
Keep in mind that you can not apply for import without any sort of receipt or vehicle details (VIN etc) so you do need to take a bit of a risk in buying a car, finding some way of storing it and applying for import approval which can take upwards of 2 months...and then hoping it is approved!
One more thing to mention. If your application is rejected remember that DOTARS are a government department and as such have strict procedures and guidelines and in everything they do there is an appeals process which must be completed in certain time frames. Even complaints have to be dealt with in a set time. You can also go through your local member for help, again anything that goes through them MUST be dealt with and can not be ignored. I have read of quite a number of people that were caught out by these rule changes and initially having their app rejected really getting stuck in to them and using their own procedures to do it and eventually winning.
Oh and what would I import? If I still could....A rodded 1932 Ford 3 window coupe
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The gist of it now is that you CAN import modified cars IF you can prove the modifications were carried out prior to 1989.
If you can not prove this DOTARS reset the date of manufacture of the vehicle to the date of import application and will reject the import application. This resetting of the date of manufacture is a bit of a contentious issue.
How do DOTARS make this determination that a vehicle is modified? Simply off a photo you must provide with the application to import, the application form has no space to list modifications and the import documents do NOT list anywhere what is acceptable modifications or not. Cars are being rejected just for having flashy paint jobs and aftermarket wheels off of the say so of someone at a desk at DOTARS. Any sort of engine swap is a massive no no.
Why did DOTARS do this? The initial trigger came from customs inspecting shipments and finding a few to many reproduction hot rods and American cars built from brand spanking new re-production bodies and chassis with brand new running gear in them but all the paperwork showing '1932 Ford' or '1969 Camaro'.
I can understand this to a point but the real s
t thing here is that as usual the various government departments do not communicate. On a federal level DOTARS and Customs have essentially got the import business shut down but on a state level all these cars have systems in place where they can be registered and used on the roads. You can build a 32 Ford hot rod here with all brand new components and register it but they have stopped people importing a car built in exactly the same way. In fact some people import all their parts from the US, assemble them here and get on the road!This piss taking is affecting everyone though. I know of people that have purchased 30's-40's that are as Henry Ford made them apart from newer wheels and new paint and the applications are being rejected leaving them stuck with a car in the states.
Having said alllll of this....That Porsche linked up there would probably get in okay. It doesnt look to modified so would probably pass the picture test. Putting 'recreation' on the application would get it lumped in with the rejected hot rods though. It may be that they ask for further photos or a statement the car is not modified.
Keep in mind that you can not apply for import without any sort of receipt or vehicle details (VIN etc) so you do need to take a bit of a risk in buying a car, finding some way of storing it and applying for import approval which can take upwards of 2 months...and then hoping it is approved!
One more thing to mention. If your application is rejected remember that DOTARS are a government department and as such have strict procedures and guidelines and in everything they do there is an appeals process which must be completed in certain time frames. Even complaints have to be dealt with in a set time. You can also go through your local member for help, again anything that goes through them MUST be dealt with and can not be ignored. I have read of quite a number of people that were caught out by these rule changes and initially having their app rejected really getting stuck in to them and using their own procedures to do it and eventually winning.
Oh and what would I import? If I still could....A rodded 1932 Ford 3 window coupe
.I am living over in UK and seriously thinking about exporting given the price differential. I think something like a 930 turbo would be a good one or perhaps a pagoda merc although they are now quite pricey in uk. Also thinking if I return to OZ I will definately bring in a decent personal import, tidy sum to be made on later model Astons as a personal import.
deviant said:
Pre-89 imports got a lot more complicated about 12 months back.
The gist of it now is that you CAN import modified cars IF you can prove the modifications were carried out prior to 1989.
If you can not prove this DOTARS reset the date of manufacture of the vehicle to the date of import application and will reject the import application. This resetting of the date of manufacture is a bit of a contentious issue.
How do DOTARS make this determination that a vehicle is modified? Simply off a photo you must provide with the application to import, the application form has no space to list modifications and the import documents do NOT list anywhere what is acceptable modifications or not. Cars are being rejected just for having flashy paint jobs and aftermarket wheels off of the say so of someone at a desk at DOTARS. Any sort of engine swap is a massive no no.
Why did DOTARS do this? The initial trigger came from customs inspecting shipments and finding a few to many reproduction hot rods and American cars built from brand spanking new re-production bodies and chassis with brand new running gear in them but all the paperwork showing '1932 Ford' or '1969 Camaro'.
I can understand this to a point but the real st thing here is that as usual the various government departments do not communicate. On a federal level DOTARS and Customs have essentially got the import business shut down but on a state level all these cars have systems in place where they can be registered and used on the roads. You can build a 32 Ford hot rod here with all brand new components and register it but they have stopped people importing a car built in exactly the same way. In fact some people import all their parts from the US, assemble them here and get on the road!
This piss taking is affecting everyone though. I know of people that have purchased 30's-40's that are as Henry Ford made them apart from newer wheels and new paint and the applications are being rejected leaving them stuck with a car in the states.
Having said alllll of this....That Porsche linked up there would probably get in okay. It doesnt look to modified so would probably pass the picture test. Putting 'recreation' on the application would get it lumped in with the rejected hot rods though. It may be that they ask for further photos or a statement the car is not modified.
Keep in mind that you can not apply for import without any sort of receipt or vehicle details (VIN etc) so you do need to take a bit of a risk in buying a car, finding some way of storing it and applying for import approval which can take upwards of 2 months...and then hoping it is approved!
One more thing to mention. If your application is rejected remember that DOTARS are a government department and as such have strict procedures and guidelines and in everything they do there is an appeals process which must be completed in certain time frames. Even complaints have to be dealt with in a set time. You can also go through your local member for help, again anything that goes through them MUST be dealt with and can not be ignored. I have read of quite a number of people that were caught out by these rule changes and initially having their app rejected really getting stuck in to them and using their own procedures to do it and eventually winning.
Oh and what would I import? If I still could....A rodded 1932 Ford 3 window coupe.
James, you mention modified cars but is it straightforward if you just want to import a boggo standard card that's pre-89?The gist of it now is that you CAN import modified cars IF you can prove the modifications were carried out prior to 1989.
If you can not prove this DOTARS reset the date of manufacture of the vehicle to the date of import application and will reject the import application. This resetting of the date of manufacture is a bit of a contentious issue.
How do DOTARS make this determination that a vehicle is modified? Simply off a photo you must provide with the application to import, the application form has no space to list modifications and the import documents do NOT list anywhere what is acceptable modifications or not. Cars are being rejected just for having flashy paint jobs and aftermarket wheels off of the say so of someone at a desk at DOTARS. Any sort of engine swap is a massive no no.
Why did DOTARS do this? The initial trigger came from customs inspecting shipments and finding a few to many reproduction hot rods and American cars built from brand spanking new re-production bodies and chassis with brand new running gear in them but all the paperwork showing '1932 Ford' or '1969 Camaro'.
I can understand this to a point but the real s
t thing here is that as usual the various government departments do not communicate. On a federal level DOTARS and Customs have essentially got the import business shut down but on a state level all these cars have systems in place where they can be registered and used on the roads. You can build a 32 Ford hot rod here with all brand new components and register it but they have stopped people importing a car built in exactly the same way. In fact some people import all their parts from the US, assemble them here and get on the road!This piss taking is affecting everyone though. I know of people that have purchased 30's-40's that are as Henry Ford made them apart from newer wheels and new paint and the applications are being rejected leaving them stuck with a car in the states.
Having said alllll of this....That Porsche linked up there would probably get in okay. It doesnt look to modified so would probably pass the picture test. Putting 'recreation' on the application would get it lumped in with the rejected hot rods though. It may be that they ask for further photos or a statement the car is not modified.
Keep in mind that you can not apply for import without any sort of receipt or vehicle details (VIN etc) so you do need to take a bit of a risk in buying a car, finding some way of storing it and applying for import approval which can take upwards of 2 months...and then hoping it is approved!
One more thing to mention. If your application is rejected remember that DOTARS are a government department and as such have strict procedures and guidelines and in everything they do there is an appeals process which must be completed in certain time frames. Even complaints have to be dealt with in a set time. You can also go through your local member for help, again anything that goes through them MUST be dealt with and can not be ignored. I have read of quite a number of people that were caught out by these rule changes and initially having their app rejected really getting stuck in to them and using their own procedures to do it and eventually winning.
Oh and what would I import? If I still could....A rodded 1932 Ford 3 window coupe
.TAS1981 said:
I was / am thinking about doing this and I used something like this to do the sums on...now I didn't get as far as checking whether the modifications etc made it fall foul of the rules but if I were to import, I am thinking something along these lines...
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3279448.htm
I am thinking about this, run the car for a while and then sell on.... the thing is after doing the sums there is profit in it but factors such as selling on time and erosion of profit from anything from customs/quarantine from taking a while to sell so I am left unsure whether the hassle is worth it...
I am not looking to make a fortune but to won some interesting cars that partially pay for themselves...
a 3.2 engine and G50 box would be out of the 964 eara car and would be classed as modified based on the engine and gearbox swap.http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3279448.htm
I am thinking about this, run the car for a while and then sell on.... the thing is after doing the sums there is profit in it but factors such as selling on time and erosion of profit from anything from customs/quarantine from taking a while to sell so I am left unsure whether the hassle is worth it...
I am not looking to make a fortune but to won some interesting cars that partially pay for themselves...
cracking little car though.
Pommygranite said:
I also wonder if as time moves the pre-89 rule will move and pre-99 will be possible and then that 94 348TS for $40k will be mine.....
Just noticed this.In short no. It is on the dotars website somewhere. Pre-89 is all we are stuck with, absolute joke. How dotars ever came to have so much power I cant find out.
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