Turtle wax carbon ceramic problem

[gotoPzero]

Been using this product for over a year, really happy with it.

Been using it in the usual way which is clean car, dry car and then apply panel at a time with dry mf and then buff to a shine. Lasts 2-3 months easily so only put it on maybe 3-4 times.

Now... stupid mistake really.

So I have noticed my MF cloths have not been washing as well and are now very repellent so I assume its the TW product sticking to the cloth. OK so in my genius brain what I will do is spray the turtle wax onto the car whilst its wet, then dry it off with the cloths and straight into the washing machine...

Dunno why I thought that was a good idea.

So the car has now got what looks like really bad water marks on it. (I used filtered water)

I think whats happened the MF did not dry 100% then the TW has set in the water if you see what I mean.

I have now washed the car again and the marks are still there....

What do we think? Clay it? Or am I looking at getting the DA out? I really CBA to do that but will do if I have too...

Its most noticeable on the glass tbh.

[Summit_Detailing]

Try some vinegar on a microfibre as you'll have that in the house (in theory), or some Autoglym Super Resin polish which is readily available on the High St if you don't have any knocking about.

Cheers,

Chris

[somouk]

I suspect you'll be polishing that off.

If the product isn't designed to be applied to a wet car then it's always a risk doing it that way.

As for washing the MF, what were you washing them in and at what temp?

[gotoPzero]

Summit_Detailing said:

Try some vinegar on a microfibre as you'll have that in the house (in theory), or some Autoglym Super Resin polish which is readily available on the High St if you don't have any knocking about.

Cheers,

Chris

Thanks I dont have any to hand no but I can get some and give it a try for sure.

[gotoPzero]

somouk said:

As for washing the MF, what were you washing them in and at what temp?

Washing machine, tech wash, 1 cap.

30 min 30 c

[gotoPzero]

somouk said:

If the product isn't designed to be applied to a wet car then it's always a risk doing it that way.

I am pretty sure it says you can put it on wet - but I dont think I quite got it dry enough.

[zsdom]

If it’s a paste or liquid wax try some IPA or panel wipe to remove it

Or if its lasting 2-3 months just let it be til its dead

[gweaver]

You could also try applying some more turtle wax - the carrier might lift some of the excess product from the first application.

[vikingaero]

gweaver said:

You could also try applying some more turtle wax - the carrier might lift some of the excess product from the first application.

^ Try this.

The "Professional use only" Autoglym Lifeshine instructions say that if you make an error/drop too much product on a panel, then the way to rectify it is to apply fresh product and wipe it off promptly.

[gotoPzero]

Thanks will give it a go today whilst the sun is shining.

[C5_Steve]

In regards to the MFs I'd say bin them. If they've absorbed that much product they're now hydrophobic it's probably more trouble than they're worth cleaning them and you'll probably end up damaging the fibres anyway.

[QJumper]

gotoPzero said:

Washing machine, tech wash, 1 cap.

30 min 30 c

As I understand it Tech Wash is a product for washing waterproof clothing in, and is designed to revitalise water repellency, so yeah, your cloths will become repellent.

Best to wash cloths in washing powder, without any softener additives, as softeners add repellency too.

[gotoPzero]

I thought tech wash opened the fibres up to allow fuller cleaning - I might be wrong though.
Will try normal detergent and see if that helps. It will certainly be cheaper!

Some good news though, before I started I called a mate who is a detailer.
He said before I do anything just get a cloth and give the worst area a good buff. (after a thorough wash of course)
I did and to my surprise within 30 seconds the residue was coming off.

So I used this and a combination of the advice above to spray on some of the product to try and dissolve the residue.

I got 95% of it off and it looks much, much better thanks guys.

Next time I clean I will get the last few bits - mostly on the roof and some tight to get too bits of trim I had ran out of puff by that point.

Lesson learned... apply dry.... spray onto the cloth... remove as soon as its hazed!

[Belle427]

I just wash with normal tablets, no softeners. Normally add a scoop of vanish too.
Cloths can clog quickly with QD etc.

[QJumper]

[quote=gotoPzero]I thought tech wash opened the fibres up to allow fuller cleaning - I might be wrong though.
Will try normal detergent and see if that helps. It will certainly be cheaper!
/quote]

Just to double check, I assume by Tech Wash, you mean this stuff:

https://www.nikwax.com/en-gb/products/Cleaning/tec...

If so, then yes, it might open fibres to clean them, but it's also designed to keep them water repelllent and stop them absorbing water.

If it's something different, then just ignore me.

[StescoG66]

With microfibre cloths, absolutely no conditioner, wash at 60 with decent powder - should unclog them.
Bleach and conditioner not good with microfibres at all.

[TimmyMallett]

I wouldn't use tech wash, Nikwax specifically say this:


Tech Wash ® Market leading cleaner designed to revitalise water repellency and breathability of waterproof gear

[gotoPzero]

Tech wash is just a cleaner, its not got anything to add water resistance. Thats in the "TX Direct" bottle (it comes in 2 parts fwiw)

I was only using it as its technically meant for the opening up of fibres so I thought it would be good for MF as they are obviously designed that way.

I have since used regular non bio (very small qty) and 60c wash and most of them seem ok now. I think 30c and the mild tech wash was not helping. I now have a pile of good ones and some not so good ones, the not so good will be used for waxing wheels or A303ing engine bays.

[Monty22]

If you ever need a product to remove stubborn water marks I can 100% recommend Koch Chemie FSE.