New tyres for daily hack

[gavin18787]

The old work hack (Diesel DS3) is due some new rubber before we go into winter,

Tyre size is 17-205/45

I currently has x4 generic cheap tyres on it from when I got it a while back (Dynomo's I think)
Bit st in the wet and make a comedy squealing noise when pushed

So looking to upgrade but also not spend mega money as it is only a £2000 daily.

Recomendations?, was wondering if something all season is the way to go or some Kumho's


I have moved recently so now have a 20mile each way commute of mostly B roads which is quite a nice drive, so have actually enjoyed giving the car a bit of a spirited drive. Even if it is not the exige it is a good giggle as the roads are good.
Was wondering if all season tyres will ruin the drive in sacrifice for cold wet weather grip?

Financee had a C class coupe we bought that came with winter tyres and I remember that feeling horribly spongy!


Thanks

Edited by gavin18787 on Wednesday 9th September 08:55

[E-bmw]

Size might help.

[gavin18787]

E-bmw said:

Size might help.

17-205/45

[stevieturbo]

What was OEM fit ? Usually a decent start

Although with so many reviews and tests on Tyre Reviews on Youtube, all the info you could possibly need is there.

[gavin18787]

stevieturbo said:

What was OEM fit ? Usually a decent start

Although with so many reviews and tests on Tyre Reviews on Youtube, all the info you could possibly need is there.

I don't actually know if I am honest, google doesn't return much information either. I would assume maybe Michelins of some description as it is a french car.

I will check out youtube, didn't think of that.

[Simon_GH]

Unless you’re using an empty tarmac rally stage, I suspect any of the premium brand tyres would be a massive improvement, I’d check what offers are on BlackCircles and go from there.

[Sheepshanks]

I've put All Seasons on our knocking about cars for years - even before CrossClimates made them more well known. I default to CrossClimates as can get them from Costco and usually buy them when there's an offer on, plus can get a Michelin rebate too.

In the past have use Kumho and Vredestein All Seasons and they've been fine too.

[SteveV8miller]

I have used these for a number of years, very quiet long lasting 56k ish on a Fiesta 1.0 and not far off the best for fun. I have covered 80k on these (second set)


https://www.camskill.co.uk - Yokohama_Advan_Fleva_V701_205_45_R17_88W_XL_RPB_TL_Fuel_Eff_%3A_C_Wet_Grip%3A_A_NoiseClass%3A_A_Noise%3A_67dB

[MustangGT]

Sheepshanks said:

I've put All Seasons on our knocking about cars for years - even before CrossClimates made them more well known. I default to CrossClimates as can get them from Costco and usually buy them when there's an offer on, plus can get a Michelin rebate too.

In the past have use Kumho and Vredestein All Seasons and they've been fine too.

This, my preferred offering is Goodyear Vector 4 season.

[gavin18787]

Sheepshanks said:

I've put All Seasons on our knocking about cars for years - even before CrossClimates made them more well known. I default to CrossClimates as can get them from Costco and usually buy them when there's an offer on, plus can get a Michelin rebate too.

In the past have use Kumho and Vredestein All Seasons and they've been fine too.

Good to know, what is the handling like compared to a summer tyre when the weather is decent?

Just been down a rabbit hole of watching the tyre reviews videos on all season tyres. Plenty of choice. Only curve ball is certain summer tyres still out preform the in wet weather work. Although it is when the temperature drops they really come into their own.

[Sheepshanks]

gavin18787 said:

Good to know, what is the handling like compared to a summer tyre when the weather is decent?

Well, handling is more of a suspension thing, isn't it?

To be fair, I'm probably not the right person to ask - we're not pushing cars to the limit. But All Seasons have never given me any concern. In fact for a few years we ran a Honda Jazz on full winter Michelin Alpins and that could be driven enthusiastically (I think the VTEC doesn't come in until about 4K RPM) around local country lanes and the tyres worked fine.

Where All Seasons are really confidence inspiring in normal use is in very wet weather.

[gavin18787]

Sheepshanks said:

Well, handling is more of a suspension thing, isn't it?

To be fair, I'm probably not the right person to ask - we're not pushing cars to the limit. But All Seasons have never given me any concern. In fact for a few years we ran a Honda Jazz on full winter Michelin Alpins and that could be driven enthusiastically (I think the VTEC doesn't come in until about 4K RPM) around local country lanes and the tyres worked fine.

Where All Seasons are really confidence inspiring in normal use is in very wet weather.

Thanks for the info. Car currently feels quite nice (well for what it is) and didn't want to fit all season tyres and turn it into a squishy mess!

I think I am between Kumho PS72 (summer tyre but good wet weather preformance) Or Michelin cross climates

[MustangGT]

gavin18787 said:

Good to know, what is the handling like compared to a summer tyre when the weather is decent?

Just been down a rabbit hole of watching the tyre reviews videos on all season tyres. Plenty of choice. Only curve ball is certain summer tyres still out preform the in wet weather work. Although it is when the temperature drops they really come into their own.

You will not notice the difference until the weather turns bad, then you will notice how much better it is.

Edited to add: I don't like the Michelin, they come with less tread as standard than other makes, usually 6.8mm only, compared to 7.5-8.0mm from some other manufacturers.

[mmm-five]

You could put your preferred characteristics into TyreReviews.com and see what it comes up with when you tweak your priorities between wet/dry/cold/snow.

Here's the tool...
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tools/tyre-selection-g...

...and some pre-selected results for your tyre size

Edited by mmm-five on Friday 11th September 10:32

[mmm-five]

MustangGT said:

You will not notice the difference until the weather turns bad, then you will notice how much better it is.

Edited to add: I don't like the Michelin, they come with less tread as standard than other makes, usually 6.8mm only, compared to 7.5-8.0mm from some other manufacturers.

You'll find very few tyre manufacturers offering 7.5-8mm of tread on high performance summer tyres...that's IF you can find the information easily on them all.

I know TireRack in North Mexico / South Canada have tread depths on most of their tires, but there doesn't seem to be a central source for tread depths of our European tyres (which may use the same/similar name, but have different compounds).

You also need to factor in how long that tread will last, as 8mm of a high-wearing compound (for improved cold/wet grip maybe) may wear faster than 6mm of a better compound.

Although I agree that older Michelins seems to last about as long as a Trump's tariff.

But unless you're driving everywhere, and in all conditions at 8/10ths or above, you probably won't notice a huge difference between the premium and mid-range brands...and Hankook / Kumho offerings are competing well in certain performance sectors...but I've not tried either myself on my own cars.

My preferred choices (I'll buy whichever of these is the cheapest/most available at the time) for 19" performance, spring/summer/autumn, performance tyres are Continental SportContact 7, Goodyear Asymmetric 6, Michelin PS4S or PS5 and my (mild) 18" winter tyre choice ( is either Michelin Cross-Climate, Goodyear Vector All Season 3/4, or Continental AllSeasonContact 2. Not had chance to try the CrossClimate Sport yet as I'm not doing as many commuting miles as I did.

[LightweightLouisDanvers]

We have two cars running on Kumho Solus AT32 all season tyres and very pleased with their grip and wear.
Admittedly these are on a Fiat 500 and a Peugeot 108, so not performance orientated cars but cant fault them for the price. Michelin CC3 would be double the price and id struggle to see the difference they would make on these cars.

[mikey_b]

MustangGT said:

You will not notice the difference until the weather turns bad, then you will notice how much better it is.

Edited to add: I don't like the Michelin, they come with less tread as standard than other makes, usually 6.8mm only, compared to 7.5-8.0mm from some other manufacturers.

Michelin are, generally, regarded as long-lasting tyres. I've certainly never been upset by the lifetime of a Michelin, car or bike. Maybe they just have a better quality rubber on them.

[gavin18787]

mmm-five said:

You could put your preferred characteristics into TyreReviews.com and see what it comes up with when you tweak your priorities between wet/dry/cold/snow.

Here's the tool...
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tools/tyre-selection-g...

...and some pre-selected results for your tyre size

Edited by mmm-five on Friday 11th September 10:32

Cheers for that I will have a poke about to see what it comes up with

[gavin18787]

mmm-five said:

MustangGT said:

You will not notice the difference until the weather turns bad, then you will notice how much better it is.

Edited to add: I don't like the Michelin, they come with less tread as standard than other makes, usually 6.8mm only, compared to 7.5-8.0mm from some other manufacturers.

You'll find very few tyre manufacturers offering 7.5-8mm of tread on high performance summer tyres...that's IF you can find the information easily on them all.

I know TireRack in North Mexico / South Canada have tread depths on most of their tires, but there doesn't seem to be a central source for tread depths of our European tyres (which may use the same/similar name, but have different compounds).

You also need to factor in how long that tread will last, as 8mm of a high-wearing compound (for improved cold/wet grip maybe) may wear faster than 6mm of a better compound.

Although I agree that older Michelins seems to last about as long as a Trump's tariff.

But unless you're driving everywhere, and in all conditions at 8/10ths or above, you probably won't notice a huge difference between the premium and mid-range brands...and Hankook / Kumho offerings are competing well in certain performance sectors...but I've not tried either myself on my own cars.

My preferred choices (I'll buy whichever of these is the cheapest/most available at the time) for 19" performance, spring/summer/autumn, performance tyres are Continental SportContact 7, Goodyear Asymmetric 6, Michelin PS4S or PS5 and my (mild) 18" winter tyre choice ( is either Michelin Cross-Climate, Goodyear Vector All Season 3/4, or Continental AllSeasonContact 2. Not had chance to try the CrossClimate Sport yet as I'm not doing as many commuting miles as I did.

Some good information there, thanks for sharing.

Do you chop and change between the all season tyres and summer performance tyres on the same car?
Would be interesting to hear how you feel they differ in terms of feel on the car?

I have recently put a new set of Michelin PS5's on my exige and am very pleased with them, was just thinking the daily should have something more rounded and I would have less chance of getting caught out in my winter commutes. As unlike before I do have to rely on the car to get to work now.

[gavin18787]

LightweightLouisDanvers said:

We have two cars running on Kumho Solus AT32 all season tyres and very pleased with their grip and wear.
Admittedly these are on a Fiat 500 and a Peugeot 108, so not performance orientated cars but cant fault them for the price. Michelin CC3 would be double the price and id struggle to see the difference they would make on these cars.

Might check them out, I am sure a diesel DS3 falls into the same non performance group!