All-Seasons in Really High Temps?

[NervousEnergy]

Hi all, have a question about all-season tyres in high (Mediterranean) temperatures. Am about to replace a set of Accelera Iota ST-68s (they came with the car and are not good) and was going to get a set of decent 'summer' tyres. Where we live doesn't get cold often and is rarely below 7, and we haven't seen snow in over a decade (and then for only a day). The car though will spend 25-30% of its mileage in the Mediterranean - typically these days 30+ but sometimes 40+. So 'summer' tyres seemed the obvious option. But my wife's just told me that on a trip she does regularly for work, it's usually icy at this time of year (not something I'd have guessed from where it is TBH). So am now wondering if anyone has any experience of all-seasons in really high temperatures? To be fair, she has been managing it perfectly well on the Iotas so may be overthinking this - but am trying to find a good compromise.
Thanks:-)

[Jazoli]

You are overthinking it, I've used cars with Vector 4seasons and CrossClimates in Europe for extended periods in the height of summer, its a complete non-issue.

[NervousEnergy]

Jazoli said:

You are overthinking it, I've used cars with Vector 4seasons and CrossClimates in Europe for extended periods in the height of summer, its a complete non-issue.

Thank you:-) much appreciated

[Matt_T]

I have a feeling that Stellantis fit Michelin CrossClimates to all their SUVs from new in all markets; they are fine for hot climates.
I've also noticed that lots of the taxis in Rome, Milan, Barcelona etc have All Seasons on them and some ever have winters on.

If you prefer all seasons then go for them.

[NervousEnergy]

Thanks - Cross Climates it is.

[Haltamer]

They do quite well - Best reference will be to the US market where cars (Usually all seasons as standard) go from desert to freezing mountain range in the course of a drive.

I've used Vredestein Quatrac Pros all year round in the height of British summer with no issues, even when driving quite enthusiastically - They can get a bit sqeualy pushed to the bitter edge, but they've never felt as though they've "Gone off" with temperature on the road.

I even had them on for a Car limits handling day which warmed them up very nicely with no adverse effect.

The small % tradeoff in super hot weather (vs UHP summer tyres) is more than worth the comparatively huge % positive in <7c performance (Again compared to UHP Summers)

[NervousEnergy]

Haltamer said:

They do quite well - Best reference will be to the US market where cars (Usually all seasons as standard) go from desert to freezing mountain range in the course of a drive.

I've used Vredestein Quatrac Pros all year round in the height of British summer with no issues, even when driving quite enthusiastically - They can get a bit sqeualy pushed to the bitter edge, but they've never felt as though they've "Gone off" with temperature on the road.

I even had them on for a Car limits handling day which warmed them up very nicely with no adverse effect.

The small % tradeoff in super hot weather (vs UHP summer tyres) is more than worth the comparatively huge % positive in <7c performance (Again compared to UHP Summers)

Thanks - this would be vs 'touring summer' tyres since it's for a 1.5 Kodiaq that never goes anywhere near any limits (though is often well-loaded) and I'm mostly worried about how quick it stops. The current ones (Accelera) lose traction alarmingly easily if it's a bit wet and the road surface is pretty smooth. In the summer it only got up - in the dry - one 25% ish slope with a run up (and not somewhere that was a great idea) and the next one it needed someone sitting on the wing. And or course (not unrelated I guess) they are lasting ages...

[Matt_T]

OP - I'm running Uniroyal AllSeason Experts at the moment and have been impressed. They should be quite a bit cheaper than the Michelins / Contis.
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Uniroyal/AllSeaso...

[NervousEnergy]

Matt_T said:

OP - I'm running Uniroyal AllSeason Experts at the moment and have been impressed. They should be quite a bit cheaper than the Michelins / Contis.
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Uniroyal/AllSeaso...

Thank you - not in my size it seems though - and the CCs are quite discounted right now.

[popeyewhite]

Depends on the car. If sporty I'd definitely fit summers. More lateral grip, stop quicker, sharper turn in. SUV drivers might well stick with all seasons, but it seems hardly worthwhile given the vehicle's location.

[E-bmw]

Matt_T said:

OP - I'm running Uniroyal AllSeason Experts at the moment and have been impressed. They should be quite a bit cheaper than the Michelins / Contis.
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Uniroyal/AllSeaso...

Your link shows 13th out of 16, 7th out of 8, and 8th out of 12 on test, I would be looking for better if I were looking for tyres to fit to a car of mine.

[darreni]

I've run cross climate 2 in temps in the upper thirties in France & italy with zero issues. A great tyre.

[NervousEnergy]

Thanks All - this has been very helpful. I've gone for CC2s in the end. I've studied the tests (lots of them...) - but given this isn't anything sporty and won't be pushed, and that there are many variables in these tests (exact conditions, vehicle, size, driver) - plus the fact that the test result graphs exaggerate pretty small differences (by usually not starting at zero) it's pretty easy to get sucked in more than is sensible. I'm sure that I (and my wife who is the main day-to-day driver) would be happy with any of the good quality options.
Thanks again.

[Matt_T]

E-bmw said:

Matt_T said:

OP - I'm running Uniroyal AllSeason Experts at the moment and have been impressed. They should be quite a bit cheaper than the Michelins / Contis.
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Uniroyal/AllSeaso...

Your link shows 13th out of 16, 7th out of 8, and 8th out of 12 on test, I would be looking for better if I were looking for tyres to fit to a car of mine.

...but they came 1st in the tests for straight aquaplaning and 1st for corner aquaplaning - so I know I'm not going to die doing either of those!

In all seriousness, I don't get too hung up on the test results, just use them to ensure no glaring weaknesses.

Edited by Matt_T on Friday 17th January 22:25

[Sheepshanks]

Haltamer said:

They do quite well - Best reference will be to the US market where cars (Usually all seasons as standard) go from desert to freezing mountain range in the course of a drive.

They may have a different definition in the US for All Season - I happened to notice that the Dunlop SP2030's we had were described as All Season tyres in the US - they were very soft and worked fine in winter in the UK. Didn't last long though.

[darreni]

NervousEnergy said:

Thanks All - this has been very helpful. I've gone for CC2s in the end. I've studied the tests (lots of them...) - but given this isn't anything sporty and won't be pushed, and that there are many variables in these tests (exact conditions, vehicle, size, driver) - plus the fact that the test result graphs exaggerate pretty small differences (by usually not starting at zero) it's pretty easy to get sucked in more than is sensible. I'm sure that I (and my wife who is the main day-to-day driver) would be happy with any of the good quality options.
Thanks again.

Before i decided on the Michelins, i was a little concerned about the wet performance mentioned in the reviews. After running them for a year i can honestly say its non issue - the car (2016 qashqai) feels totally planted in all conditions. The tyres are very quiet too - I was expecting the tread pattern to produce a decent amount of road noise.

[Pica-Pica]

Matt_T said:

E-bmw said:

Matt_T said:

OP - I'm running Uniroyal AllSeason Experts at the moment and have been impressed. They should be quite a bit cheaper than the Michelins / Contis.
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Uniroyal/AllSeaso...

Your link shows 13th out of 16, 7th out of 8, and 8th out of 12 on test, I would be looking for better if I were looking for tyres to fit to a car of mine.

...but they came 1st in the tests for straight aquaplaning and 1st for corner aquaplaning - so I know I'm not going to die doing either of those!

In all seriousness, I don't get too hung up on the test results, just use them to unsure no glaring weaknesses.

Edited by Matt_T on Friday 17th January 17:07

You have to fully read all test recordings, there may be very little between a 1st and a 13th place.

[MC Bodge]

Modern all-season tyres now seem a good choice for almost all road use cases.

Goodyear Vecta Four seasons were very impressive in the snow and ice last week (Even my wife noticed).

They are also give good grip in and handling in rain and in the summer.

[wyson]

Tyrereviews places the newest Pirelli All Seasons tyres in first place now. Bridgestone Turanza all seasons in 2nd place, both rated better than the Crossclimates for dry handling, with the Turanza being closest to the reference summer tyre.

Personally would go for the Bridgestone Turanza All Season 6 for the OPs use case, given the information presented in the Tyrereviews testing. It was the most summer biased of the all seasons tyres on test.

Michelin will have to fireback with Crossclimate 3’s at some point because the competition has started to move the game on and they don’t have a unique niche anymore.

Edited by wyson on Friday 31st January 09:59