Tyre Longevity

[Jim H]

Hi folks,
I had two new tyres fitted to my Scirocco in February, I’ve done 7000 miles on them and they are now toast, the brand are Toyo Proxes and they’ve always served me well before on my Corrado previously.

It’s not a tracking issue, they are worn evenly across the tread patch. Ok, my commute is a twisting winding road with lots of hard breaking, but I certainly wouldn’t say I’m hooning it. I don’t think I’ve ever had a pair of tyres last so little miles.

Is it unusual? I’d expect at least 8-9 K on fronts. Any advice would be welcome, certainly when it comes to a brand to replace them with.

Thanks in advance Jim.

[sam.rog]

Toyo have a reputation that they are made of some sort of soft cheese.
Michelin are the best I find with longevity. They probably cost twice the price of toyo but last 3 times longer.

[normalbloke]

Avon ACB10. Front fitment on a Caterham 2.0YB turbo. Road use only. 250 miles.

[GordonGekko]

Currently 84000 on these Atlas Sportgreen3 ‘ditchfinders’.

Perfect for long straight driving, not bad in the bends but a bit squirrely in the wet.

[Haltamer]

Sounds like it's within the realms of normal given the life you usually see.

Michelin PS4 / PS5 have been very good for me for a summer tyre;

I have also been amazed by the Vredestein Quatrac Pro All seasons - They just don't seem to wear, even with big abuse. This has been echoed by other posters on past threads here.

(And they're not rock-hard tonka tyres; Perfectly decent grip for an all season in... all seasons!)

May be worth a shot as the winter commute is coming, and they are relatively cheap too.

[BoRED S2upid]

GordonGekko said:

Currently 84000 on these Atlas Sportgreen3 ‘ditchfinders’.

Perfect for long straight driving, not bad in the bends but a bit squirrely in the wet.

84,000 miles on a set of tyres!!! That’s like lorry tyre longevity.

[GordonGekko]

A set of Pirelli’s wore out in 30000; Continentals in 25000 (but great fuel consumption).

Atlas tyres are great, except for in the wet where they are just ok.
Trying to get to 100000 miles on these, still have 3mm in the centre grooves.


I believe the difference in performance between older and new tyres is highly significant so perhaps simply replacement may yield the OP’s desired results

[Olivergt]

BoRED S2upid said:

GordonGekko said:

Currently 84000 on these Atlas Sportgreen3 ‘ditchfinders’.

Perfect for long straight driving, not bad in the bends but a bit squirrely in the wet.

84,000 miles on a set of tyres!!! That’s like lorry tyre longevity.

My old Landcruiser Amazon (1998, so last of the 80 series) would easily see 60-70k miles out of a set of tyres. To put that in perspective I did some 110,000 miles in the many ears I had it and only put one set of tyres on it, which still had plenty of tread on them when I sold it.

[Davie]

Haltamer said:

I have also been amazed by the Vredestein Quatrac Pro All seasons - They just don't seem to wear, even with big abuse. This has been echoed by other posters on past threads here.

(And they're not rock-hard tonka tyres; Perfectly decent grip for an all season in... all seasons!)

These have been my default tyre choice for a few years now. Had them on an XC70 previously and now on a Transporter, which granted neither were designed with summer track days in mind but tyre wise, a really good tyre for our changeable conditions and they wear well too, even on big stuff.

[GeniusOfLove]

Davie said:

Haltamer said:

I have also been amazed by the Vredestein Quatrac Pro All seasons - They just don't seem to wear, even with big abuse. This has been echoed by other posters on past threads here.

(And they're not rock-hard tonka tyres; Perfectly decent grip for an all season in... all seasons!)

These have been my default tyre choice for a few years now. Had them on an XC70 previously and now on a Transporter, which granted neither were designed with summer track days in mind but tyre wise, a really good tyre for our changeable conditions and they wear well too, even on big stuff.

Not just me then, put them on a shed Pug 208 and they've lasted forever. Great tyres too.

[Pica-Pica]

335d with Goodyear EfficientGrip, they have so far done 26k miles, and they are at 4.5mm on the rears, so expect to get to almost 40k miles. Unlike some, they start at 8mm tread depth.

[E-bmw]

Pica-Pica said:

335d with Goodyear EfficientGrip, they have so far done 26k miles, and they are at 4.5mm on the rears, so expect to get to almost 40k miles. Unlike some, they start at 8mm tread depth.

These are one of my "go to" tyres if available in the right size for a shed, they are an excellent tyre in pretty much all conditions & last very well also.

[soad]

Fitted mine not long ago (2x front), let’s see how long they last. Rears still look good (done over 10k miles).

Uniroyal Rainsport 5’s did really well, especially in heavy rain and standing water on the motorway.

I tend to spin wheels when setting off in the first gear though. So that probably doesn’t help.

[ChevronB19]

soad said:

Fitted mine not long ago (2x front), let’s see how long they last. Rears still look good (done over 10k miles).

Uniroyal Rainsport 5’s did really well, especially in heavy rain and standing water on the motorway.

I tend to spin wheels when setting off in the first gear though. So that probably doesn’t help.

Uniroyal Rainsports have been my default tyre choice for everything from MINI, MX-5, Up GTi, other than a Lotus Elise (Pirelli) and a Freelander 2 (Michelin Cross climate).

I did try Toyo on the MX-5 - accelerated wear and were terrible in the wet.

[BoRED S2upid]

Davie said:

Haltamer said:

I have also been amazed by the Vredestein Quatrac Pro All seasons - They just don't seem to wear, even with big abuse. This has been echoed by other posters on past threads here.

(And they're not rock-hard tonka tyres; Perfectly decent grip for an all season in... all seasons!)

These have been my default tyre choice for a few years now. Had them on an XC70 previously and now on a Transporter, which granted neither were designed with summer track days in mind but tyre wise, a really good tyre for our changeable conditions and they wear well too, even on big stuff.

These are Volvo tyre of choice and last very well indeed I have them on the rear of our V60.

[PistonAFC]

Pica-Pica said:

335d with Goodyear EfficientGrip, they have so far done 26k miles, and they are at 4.5mm on the rears, so expect to get to almost 40k miles. Unlike some, they start at 8mm tread depth.

I had the 1st generation of the Efficientgrip tyres and they cracked in all the treads in both tyres. To make things worse, I had only put around 5-8k miles on them and they were mounted on the rear.

[Jim H]

Morning folks, apologies for late reply and many thanks for responses.

I’ve gone for Pirelli P Zero’s at quoted £130 each, other option was Continental (slightly cheaper). Of course price will increase with valve / tyre disposal etc.

I’ve painted myself into a bit of a corner with this one regarding the unexpected rapid degradation of the Toyo’s.

The Scirocco is my daily and used to that, I’m WFH tomorrow so my local garage is fitting them, hence not many options and minimal time scales to suit myself. Additionally the MOT is due next month

I’ve never run Pirelli so I thought I’d give them a try.

[E-bmw]

Jim H said:

I’ve never run Pirelli so I thought I’d give them a try.

Never liked it when people just talk like Pirelli only make one tyre.

As with all manufacturers most make some good tyres, some decent tyres, some OK tyres & some cr@p tyres.

Pirelli fall into this category too, I have had a set of P7s that were full of cracks within 4 years to the extent that I ditched a set of 4 with well over 6mm tread on, as they were also terrible in the wet, and yet the P7C2 seem to be much better even though they look identical.

[GeniusOfLove]

Jim H said:

Morning folks, apologies for late reply and many thanks for responses.

I’ve gone for Pirelli P Zero’s at quoted £130 each, other option was Continental (slightly cheaper). Of course price will increase with valve / tyre disposal etc.

I’ve painted myself into a bit of a corner with this one regarding the unexpected rapid degradation of the Toyo’s.

The Scirocco is my daily and used to that, I’m WFH tomorrow so my local garage is fitting them, hence not many options and minimal time scales to suit myself. Additionally the MOT is due next month

I’ve never run Pirelli so I thought I’d give them a try.

Were they P Zero PZ4? I've got those on the rear of my Jaguar XJ Supersport and they're good and are lasting well. PZ3 was a good tyre too.

[Alfa Pete]

I have Toyo Proxes on my Mazda 3. Currently the fronts are on 22k miles and still have 5mm left so it’s not necessarily the tyre more your driving style or the characteristics of the car.
I used to have a Golf GTD and ran that on Michelin Pilot sport 4s. Used to get about 18k miles out of the fronts.