Michelin Cross Climate 2 Wear

[Slowboathome]

The Michelin Cross Climates on my Yaris have done 14k miles.

The rears have loads of tread left. The fronts are at the legal minimum. Wear is even a across the tyre.

These are supposed to be a long lasting tyre. My previous (purely winter focused) Continentals were left on all year round and lasted much longer

I drive enthusiastically but there's only a little engine above the front wheels.

What's going on?

[ChocolateFrog]

I'd heard that CC2 buck the trend of Michelin longevity although 14k on a Yaris does seem a bit mean.

Tracking all OK and driven sensibly?

I've got them on my Duster, I use them as winter tyres so hard to judge mileage but I'd guess 10-12k on them over 2 winters so far and still 5+mm left. They were rotated in between so have had a season on each end of the car.

[Sheepshanks]

Put CC2's on daughter's 1 litre manual SEAT Ateca a year ago and it's done 18K since. Was looking at them the other day and thinking they could do with being rotated about now. Car is 75% used for a steady motorway commute, but she does have a couple of tight uphill junctions to get out of each day.

Cant answer the Yaris wear question, especially vs the previous winters - maybe there's a bit of wheelspin with CC2's that wasn't there with the winters?

We had a Jazz years ago that came new with Dunlop SP2030's which are summer tyres here but sold as All Season in some markets. Car performed fine through the 2009 & 10 winters, but the tyres were goosed at 10K miles. Replaced them with full winter Michelin Alpin's and ran them yrear round and they lasted way longer.

Edited by Sheepshanks on Tuesday 6th August 18:27

[Smint]

Only come with 6.7mm tread according to TyreReviews, we assume that's new tread depth on newly tested tyres not after several thousand miles of testing beforehand.

Having seen how little tread too many new tyres are coming with i've already decided not buying anything with less than 8mm new tread...unless its priced accordingly.

[stevieturbo]

Certainly getting a lot more than that on my dads Golf.

[Sheepshanks]

They have a 60K treadwear guarantee in the US. Seems incredible. Tyres like Primacy 3 are 35K.

[Slowboathome]

Thanks for the comments.

Garage has offered to check the alignment/tracking. I'll probably get them to do that even though the wear seems even across each tyre, car isn't pulling to one side and I check the pressures regularly.

I'll replace the front two and try rotating the tyres front and back every 6,000 miles.

Thanks again.

[stevieturbo]

Sheepshanks said:

They have a 60K treadwear guarantee in the US. Seems incredible. Tyres like Primacy 3 are 35K.

US tyres are not the same as the other regions apparently.

[MustangGT]

Smint said:

Only come with 6.7mm tread according to TyreReviews, we assume that's new tread depth on newly tested tyres not after several thousand miles of testing beforehand.

Having seen how little tread too many new tyres are coming with i've already decided not buying anything with less than 8mm new tread...unless its priced accordingly.

This 100%. A Michelin will never last as long because it simply has less tread. My 4-season tyre of choice is the Goodyear Vector.

[Treegazer]

Sorry to jump on here but I'm getting an error trying to start a thread, I was considering paying extra for Michelin Cross climates so that they're good for year round use, but not sure they're a great option based on this thread. ... it's for a 4 year old Golf we've just bought, live in the south but lots of motorway journeys to North Yorkshire. Not sure under what circumstances it's worth paying the extra for these.

There is a problem with the existing tyres so been offered Hankook v135 - are these any good? We can updgrade to Bridgestone Turanza 6 for £30 extra per tyre. Michelin Cross climate would be more again I think. If not these then which might be a better bet? bit of a tyre novice, but would like to go for middle of the range or a bit more expensive if it means a safer tyre. thanks.

[Sheepshanks]

stevieturbo said:

Sheepshanks said:

They have a 60K treadwear guarantee in the US. Seems incredible. Tyres like Primacy 3 are 35K.

US tyres are not the same as the other regions apparently.

Didn't know that - as they have exactly the same name I assumed they were the same. Makes sense, I suppose, as the mileage warranties in the US are often tremendous, although I've read they're often wriggled out of.

[Sheepshanks]

Treegazer said:

Sorry to jump on here but I'm getting an error trying to start a thread, I was considering paying extra for Michelin Cross climates so that they're good for year round use, but not sure they're a great option based on this thread. ... it's for a 4 year old Golf we've just bought, live in the south but lots of motorway journeys to North Yorkshire. Not sure under what circumstances it's worth paying the extra for these.

There is a problem with the existing tyres so been offered Hankook v135 - are these any good? We can updgrade to Bridgestone Turanza 6 for £30 extra per tyre. Michelin Cross climate would be more again I think. If not these then which might be a better bet? bit of a tyre novice, but would like to go for middle of the range or a bit more expensive if it means a safer tyre. thanks.

I'd avoid the Turanza's - Bridgestone tyres have stiff sidewalls and make the ride harsh. We changed Turanza's for original CrossClimates on a Golf mk6 and it made a noticeable difference.

I wasn't aware that CC2's supposedly wear faster - the originals we had lasted well and, as mentioned up thread, the CC2's we have on a car now seem to be lasting OK.

If you want a similar tyre but slightly lesser cost then look at Goodyear Vector.

[Salted_Peanut]

I’ve used the CC1 and CC2. The CC1 tyres felt better in the wet, but I liked the CC2 nonetheless. Tyre wear was OK.

However, the Continental AllSeasonContact 2 looks like the best of today’s all-season bunch:

https://youtu.be/1kyPJcnSCC0?feature=shared

[blueST]

I've had CC2s on my fwd car for just under 13,000 miles. Wear looks very good so far, I'd say there is 50% or more left on the front, rears look like new. Car is driven gently though. I might get my depth gauge on them later and report back with the numbers.

[Chris32345]

Just replaced some on my car after fitted around 34k miles on clock
Now upto 68k and was at 2.3mm with one edge down to 2m

[Pistom]

I'm amazed at some of the low mileages some are reporting. I've had better mileage out of CC2s than any other tyre I can recall.

I'm down to 4mm on the rear and 5 on the fronts on a 4WD car after 50K on them which I think is pretty good.

In fairness, it's mainly doing motorway stuff.

They feel a very dependable tyre. Very expensive in the size I have but good value for the life and performance they offer.

Previously I've had winter/summer tyres but these have been great in all conditions.

Edited by Pistom on Thursday 8th August 12:39

[Desiderata]

The CC2s on the rear of my wife's Octavia VRS estate are less than half worn at 20k, but I'm considering changing them. Apparently a common problem on VAG rears, they "sawtooth" after a while giving a strange wear pattern, limited grip on certain surfaces, and a really irritating road noise. I've checked tracking, bearings, bushes etc convinced that there's something wrong but found nothing. It was resolved for a few thousand miles by changing front with rears but back again now.

Edited by Desiderata on Thursday 8th August 12:23

[Treegazer]

Desiderata said:

The CC2s on the rear of my wife's Octavia VRS estate are less than half worn at 20k, but I'm considering changing them. Apparently a common problem on VAG rears, they "feather blade" after a while giving a strange wear pattern, limited grip on certain surfaces, and a really irritating road noise. I've checked tracking, bearings, bushes etc convinced that there's something wrong but found nothing. It was resolved for a few thousand miles by changing front with rears but back again now.

What would you change them to?

[InitialDave]

I have CC2s, and am happy with them, to the point I've shelved my plan to buy some performance tyres for summer, though I don't do a very high annual mileage, so rapid wear isn't a concern for me if they suffer from it (pokey RWD car, so likely to get through a back pair faster anyway).

My dad has the current Goodyear Vectors and they also seem decent.

[Desiderata]

Treegazer said:

What would you change them to?

Either Goodyear Vectra or Maxxis Premitra, both very similar tread pattern to the CC2s but without the strange wear issues and both substantially cheaper without substantial loss in performance. I've used both previously and found them to be excellent, probably the Maxxis as it seems to have better longevity than the Goodyear in spite of being cheaper.