Brembo or Pagid discs & pads?
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Pagid, Textar and Mintex are all the same company (TMD friction).
BMW OE pads for the E90 320d are a textar-branded item with a BMW part number printed on them. I have mostly stuck with these on mine over 12 years and 160K miles because of the short (10K miles) I put on OEM pagid rather than OE spec kit. OE wasn't actually much more money than ECP bits last time I did this.
In my use, pagids for the BMW turned out to be discs and pads made of cheese. They weren't on the car for a year, taken off and thrown away in favour of more OE stuff.
I've used pagid pads on my Lotus for years and they are great on that so it isn't me universally slating pagid or anything. Just the ECP bits sucked.
BMW OE pads for the E90 320d are a textar-branded item with a BMW part number printed on them. I have mostly stuck with these on mine over 12 years and 160K miles because of the short (10K miles) I put on OEM pagid rather than OE spec kit. OE wasn't actually much more money than ECP bits last time I did this.
In my use, pagids for the BMW turned out to be discs and pads made of cheese. They weren't on the car for a year, taken off and thrown away in favour of more OE stuff.
I've used pagid pads on my Lotus for years and they are great on that so it isn't me universally slating pagid or anything. Just the ECP bits sucked.
Always O.E. pads for me. Not O.E. manufacturer aftermarket, not 'O.E. equivalent', not 'O.E. quality'...
O.E. new or new / old stock. Aftermarket stuff is never better than O.E. The only exception is when upgrading to a good fast road pad, which will cost about double what O.E. costs and will trade off durability, dust production, or cold performance...
O.E. new or new / old stock. Aftermarket stuff is never better than O.E. The only exception is when upgrading to a good fast road pad, which will cost about double what O.E. costs and will trade off durability, dust production, or cold performance...
HustleRussell said:
Always O.E. pads for me. Not O.E. manufacturer aftermarket, not 'O.E. equivalent', not 'O.E. quality'...
O.E. new or new / old stock. Aftermarket stuff is never better than O.E. The only exception is when upgrading to a good fast road pad, which will cost about double what O.E. costs and will trade off durability, dust production, or cold performance...
you do realise that OE quality pads are often the same as OEM pads, just in a different box?O.E. new or new / old stock. Aftermarket stuff is never better than O.E. The only exception is when upgrading to a good fast road pad, which will cost about double what O.E. costs and will trade off durability, dust production, or cold performance...
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
HustleRussell said:
Always O.E. pads for me. Not O.E. manufacturer aftermarket, not 'O.E. equivalent', not 'O.E. quality'...
O.E. new or new / old stock. Aftermarket stuff is never better than O.E. The only exception is when upgrading to a good fast road pad, which will cost about double what O.E. costs and will trade off durability, dust production, or cold performance...
you do realise that OE quality pads are often the same as OEM pads, just in a different box?O.E. new or new / old stock. Aftermarket stuff is never better than O.E. The only exception is when upgrading to a good fast road pad, which will cost about double what O.E. costs and will trade off durability, dust production, or cold performance...
No I do not believe that the brake pads are exactly the same product and the same formulation because they have the same brand name on the box and can be x-ref'd from the O.E. ones. Friction material manufacturers have many formulations to suit many markets.
Edited by HustleRussell on Thursday 23 February 17:08
stevieturbo said:
You do realise, that is not true ?
Well in my 20 years of aftersales and parts experience working for car manufacturers in parts, pricing, and supply chain. I can tell you that some (not all) aftermarket brake pads are the very same ones that were originally scheduled to be fitted on the production line. But ended up in the aftermarket supply chain. Sometimes these aftermarket parts are blatantly the same, only they’ve just has the brand markings removed.They were made on the same production line , by the same people to the same spec. But send out of a different door so to speak.
Companies like Bosch, Lemsforder etc all do this. The tooling is owned by those manufacturers and so they can do what they want with them
Companies like tec alliance do cross references from the various part numbers to the equivalent OeS number. So you can find your brake pad by OE part number and the direct equivalent from the supplier or alternative one which may not be to the same quality. But that doesn’t detract from the fact that some aftermarket parts /pads are exactly the same quality
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
you do realise that OE quality pads are often the same as OEM pads, just in a different box?
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
some (not all)
Sometimes
some
Sometimes
some
HustleRussell said:
Aftermarket stuff is never better than O.E.
Edited by HustleRussell on Thursday 23 February 18:02
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
you do realise that OE quality pads are often the same as OEM pads, just in a different box?
I don't know about "often", but certainly sometimes the case. Motocraft pads are Fords brand of aftermarket, not "OE" & a fraction of the price, only thing is they are often clearly identical in every aspect / same thing as the OE pad, just a different box.
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
I can tell you that some (not all) aftermarket brake pads are the very same ones that were originally scheduled to be fitted on the production line. But ended up in the aftermarket supply chain.
I'm sure it will vary for different manufacturers, but a former veteran development engineer for Rover now retired told me that some consumable components destined for the production line were a significantly higher spec than the corresponding parts in the dealer supply chain despite coming from the same factory and having identical branding and part numbers. Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
Well in my 20 years of aftersales and parts experience working for car manufacturers in parts, pricing, and supply chain. I can tell you that some (not all) aftermarket brake pads are the very same ones that were originally scheduled to be fitted on the production line. But ended up in the aftermarket supply chain. Sometimes these aftermarket parts are blatantly the same, only they’ve just has the brand markings removed.
They were made on the same production line , by the same people to the same spec. But send out of a different door so to speak.
Companies like Bosch, Lemsforder etc all do this. The tooling is owned by those manufacturers and so they can do what they want with them
Companies like tec alliance do cross references from the various part numbers to the equivalent OeS number. So you can find your brake pad by OE part number and the direct equivalent from the supplier or alternative one which may not be to the same quality. But that doesn’t detract from the fact that some aftermarket parts /pads are exactly the same quality
That is your perception, and in some cases some parts may be the same. But for the most part, they are not. They may look very similar to some people, but most often they are not the exact same part.They were made on the same production line , by the same people to the same spec. But send out of a different door so to speak.
Companies like Bosch, Lemsforder etc all do this. The tooling is owned by those manufacturers and so they can do what they want with them
Companies like tec alliance do cross references from the various part numbers to the equivalent OeS number. So you can find your brake pad by OE part number and the direct equivalent from the supplier or alternative one which may not be to the same quality. But that doesn’t detract from the fact that some aftermarket parts /pads are exactly the same quality
HustleRussell said:
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
HustleRussell said:
Always O.E. pads for me. Not O.E. manufacturer aftermarket, not 'O.E. equivalent', not 'O.E. quality'...
O.E. new or new / old stock. Aftermarket stuff is never better than O.E. The only exception is when upgrading to a good fast road pad, which will cost about double what O.E. costs and will trade off durability, dust production, or cold performance...
you do realise that OE quality pads are often the same as OEM pads, just in a different box?O.E. new or new / old stock. Aftermarket stuff is never better than O.E. The only exception is when upgrading to a good fast road pad, which will cost about double what O.E. costs and will trade off durability, dust production, or cold performance...
No I do not believe that the brake pads are exactly the same product and the same formulation because they have the same brand name on the box and can be x-ref'd from the O.E. ones. Friction material manufacturers have many formulations to suit many markets.
Edited by HustleRussell on Thursday 23 February 17:08
As it happens I don't think the pads you buy at the dealer are always the same as the ones the factory put on either.
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