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Vipers said:
I am sure quite a few do, but to be honest would the average driver had picked up what my MOT failed on, do you see your neighbours scrambling under their cars at weekends?
How many neighbours do you see doing their own oil change, not doubting some enthusiasts do right enough.
I didn't mean the owners did the work with their own hands. It's completely routine to drop the car into a local garage for servicing and an MOT.How many neighbours do you see doing their own oil change, not doubting some enthusiasts do right enough.
The idea of a car owner doing nothing but MOT the car every year and assuming the MOT would warn them if any work were needed is bizzare.
GreenV8S said:
Vipers said:
I am sure quite a few do, but to be honest would the average driver had picked up what my MOT failed on, do you see your neighbours scrambling under their cars at weekends?
How many neighbours do you see doing their own oil change, not doubting some enthusiasts do right enough.
I didn't mean the owners did the work with their own hands. It's completely routine to drop the car into a local garage for servicing and an MOT.How many neighbours do you see doing their own oil change, not doubting some enthusiasts do right enough.
The idea of a car owner doing nothing but MOT the car every year and assuming the MOT would warn them if any work were needed is bizzare.
Was once asked to look at an MOT fail (emissions) Pug 106.
The oil filter had completely collapsed amongst other issues, owner really dodged a bullet, his words to me when I asked were "but it is MOT'd every year!" He had owned it for 6 years & done nothing!
E-bmw said:
The oil filter had completely collapsed amongst other issues, owner really dodged a bullet, his words to me when I asked were "but it is MOT'd every year!" He had owned it for 6 years & done nothing!
Sadly my daughters response when I asked her if she ever checked the oil!E-bmw said:
Unfortunately, I have come across it all too much though.
Was once asked to look at an MOT fail (emissions) Pug 106.
The oil filter had completely collapsed amongst other issues, owner really dodged a bullet, his words to me when I asked were "but it is MOT'd every year!" He had owned it for 6 years & done nothing!
The scary thing is such idiots are not uncommon.Was once asked to look at an MOT fail (emissions) Pug 106.
The oil filter had completely collapsed amongst other issues, owner really dodged a bullet, his words to me when I asked were "but it is MOT'd every year!" He had owned it for 6 years & done nothing!
Yes we all know the roads are in terrible condition and lack maintenance, perhaps even more reason we need to ensure vehicles are maintained properly.
It's a difficult, or almost impossible one to change. And a misguided belief that EV's need less maintenance, will make the situation even worse going forward. With more dodgy brakes and suspension items ensured to follow, as well as tyres which so few seem to check already too.
Oddly the last car I bought, the oil filter had collapsed. Which was very strange, as it was actually a brand new/rebuilt engine a fairly short time ago. And that literally was a brand new engine top to bottom, with some aftermarket parts then fitted.
GreenV8S said:
Vipers said:
I am sure quite a few do, but to be honest would the average driver had picked up what my MOT failed on, do you see your neighbours scrambling under their cars at weekends?
How many neighbours do you see doing their own oil change, not doubting some enthusiasts do right enough.
I didn't mean the owners did the work with their own hands. It's completely routine to drop the car into a local garage for servicing and an MOT.How many neighbours do you see doing their own oil change, not doubting some enthusiasts do right enough.
The idea of a car owner doing nothing but MOT the car every year and assuming the MOT would warn them if any work were needed is bizzare.
Some years ago, doing a three point turn at the end of a very narrow road in Raynes Park, the other one did the same, I pulled forward, went into reverse, and the near side rear woldnt move, another RAC call out.
stevieturbo said:
Oddly the last car I bought, the oil filter had collapsed. Which was very strange, as it was actually a brand new/rebuilt engine a fairly short time ago. And that literally was a brand new engine top to bottom, with some aftermarket parts then fitted.
Well, the new engine came without an oil filter, and the old filter was still perfectly OK with no rust or anything. And we still have no idea why the old engine died ...GreenV8S said:
Well, the new engine came without an oil filter, and the old filter was still perfectly OK with no rust or anything. And we still have no idea why the old engine died ...
Nope.New complete entirely engines from Saab when they went bust, people bought them dirt cheap to upgrade and build new setups.
Vipers said:
Ha! got you. Just something else on drum brakes, my Volvo S80 had the same problem over the years on the parking brake, first the offside one went, the stuck on sort of shoe thing, the bit that bites on the inside of the drum when the brake is applied, came unglued, and rode over the other one jamming the wheel, RAC call out.
Some years ago, doing a three point turn at the end of a very narrow road in Raynes Park, the other one did the same, I pulled forward, went into reverse, and the near side rear woldnt move, another RAC call out.
Anyone with that generation of Volvo, 60/70/80, need to get the drums off for a look see even if someone has already overhauled the park brake.Some years ago, doing a three point turn at the end of a very narrow road in Raynes Park, the other one did the same, I pulled forward, went into reverse, and the near side rear woldnt move, another RAC call out.
Before you do, buy a fitting kit including those conical hold down springs which gently tension the shoes to the back plate, the springs go weak which allows the shoes to vibrate inside the drum, which i am convinced helps the delamination process, chances are you won't find those springs on the shelf so i suspect many drums get reassembled with new shoes but using the old springs, in which case a return match is likely.
We caught my sons S60 just in time, the hold down springs were doing nothing at all, friction material well on its way to parting company, 80k miles IIRC.
Other than that issue those Volvos were superb cars.
Further to some doing nothing to their cars, speaking to our eldest daughter, she has been driving over 20 years now, mentioned the oil light kept coming on, and she keeps telling her husband, I asked her if she ever checked the oil level, blank stare……..
I mentioned the dip stick, where is that she said, explained it and said if the oil is low, add some, how do I do that she said, same daughter who called her husband as it was raining and she couldn’t find the rear window wiper, he told her it didn’t have one, it was on the old car they changed four years ago.
I dispair at times.
I mentioned the dip stick, where is that she said, explained it and said if the oil is low, add some, how do I do that she said, same daughter who called her husband as it was raining and she couldn’t find the rear window wiper, he told her it didn’t have one, it was on the old car they changed four years ago.
I dispair at times.
Smint said:
Vipers said:
Ha! got you. Just something else on drum brakes, my Volvo S80 had the same problem over the years on the parking brake, first the offside one went, the stuck on sort of shoe thing, the bit that bites on the inside of the drum when the brake is applied, came unglued, and rode over the other one jamming the wheel, RAC call out.
Some years ago, doing a three point turn at the end of a very narrow road in Raynes Park, the other one did the same, I pulled forward, went into reverse, and the near side rear woldnt move, another RAC call out.
Anyone with that generation of Volvo, 60/70/80, need to get the drums off for a look see even if someone has already overhauled the park brake.Some years ago, doing a three point turn at the end of a very narrow road in Raynes Park, the other one did the same, I pulled forward, went into reverse, and the near side rear woldnt move, another RAC call out.
Before you do, buy a fitting kit including those conical hold down springs which gently tension the shoes to the back plate, the springs go weak which allows the shoes to vibrate inside the drum, which i am convinced helps the delamination process, chances are you won't find those springs on the shelf so i suspect many drums get reassembled with new shoes but using the old springs, in which case a return match is likely.
We caught my sons S60 just in time, the hold down springs were doing nothing at all, friction material well on its way to parting company, 80k miles IIRC.
Other than that issue those Volvos were superb cars.
No, they weren't.
The P2 (which suffers the delaminating handbrake shoes) was entirely designed by Volvo prior to Ford's takeover.
Later P2s did however have various cost cutting measures (e.g. a change from cupro nickel brake lines to plastic coated steel ones is something I noticed recently) presumably introduced by Ford.
I'd add rather poor autoboxes to the 'brilliant cars but' list, however!
Poster above was lucky with his S80, it has been known for the hub to be destroyed when they go.
The ~2007-on P3 though, yes, lot and lots of FoMoCo parts.
The P2 (which suffers the delaminating handbrake shoes) was entirely designed by Volvo prior to Ford's takeover.
Later P2s did however have various cost cutting measures (e.g. a change from cupro nickel brake lines to plastic coated steel ones is something I noticed recently) presumably introduced by Ford.
I'd add rather poor autoboxes to the 'brilliant cars but' list, however!
Poster above was lucky with his S80, it has been known for the hub to be destroyed when they go.
The ~2007-on P3 though, yes, lot and lots of FoMoCo parts.
I believe that catastophic engine failures caused by low oil level were not uncommon with Prince-engined MINIs, almost non-existent with PSA vehicles using the same engine. Guess which manufacturer fitted an oil level sensor!
Then there was the Volvo driver who did London to Edinburgh with the parking brake on & tried to claim that the bond failure was a manufacturing fault!
Then there was the Volvo driver who did London to Edinburgh with the parking brake on & tried to claim that the bond failure was a manufacturing fault!
Edited by Dave Brand on Thursday 27th June 10:39
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