Full Width Radiator for Spitfire, worth it?

Full Width Radiator for Spitfire, worth it?

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spitfire-ian

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3,892 posts

235 months

Thursday 10th June 2010
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My existing radiator in the Spitfire has now started to leak in several places so I think I may treat the car to a new one.

Do the full width (22") radiators make much difference or shall I just save myself £15 and go for a standard (16") one as what is fitted at the moment?

I've certainly not had any cooling issues before so is the extra (albeit small) amount of money not really worth it?

jellison

12,803 posts

284 months

Thursday 10th June 2010
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spitfire-ian said:
My existing radiator in the Spitfire has now started to leak in several places so I think I may treat the car to a new one.

Do the full width (22") radiators make much difference or shall I just save myself £15 and go for a standard (16") one as what is fitted at the moment?

I've certainly not had any cooling issues before so is the extra (albeit small) amount of money not really worth it?
Why change - only reason would be if you have seriously hotted the lump up. If (when not leaking) the std size cools as it should, you have answered your own question wink

spitfire-ian

Original Poster:

3,892 posts

235 months

Thursday 10th June 2010
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jellison said:
spitfire-ian said:
My existing radiator in the Spitfire has now started to leak in several places so I think I may treat the car to a new one.

Do the full width (22") radiators make much difference or shall I just save myself £15 and go for a standard (16") one as what is fitted at the moment?

I've certainly not had any cooling issues before so is the extra (albeit small) amount of money not really worth it?
Why change - only reason would be if you have seriously hotted the lump up. If (when not leaking) the std size cools as it should, you have answered your own question wink
That's what I thought, just checking biggrin

Spitfire2

1,933 posts

193 months

Saturday 12th June 2010
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I'd respectfully disagree with Jellison.

The narrower radiator which the later Spitfires were fitted with is a bit marginal in terms of cooling ability. Think about it, the 1200 engines on the early Spitfires came with full width radiators.

The only reason Triumph (by then BL) went for the narrow rads on the square tail Spitfires was to save cost and nothing else.

More so for the 1500 than your Mk IV, the cooling is a bit iffy and the benefit of the wider rad is that it gives you a bit extra contingency.

If your old rad is showing its age and you are thinking of replacing, then the full width is the way to go in my opinion.

caziques

2,651 posts

175 months

Sunday 13th June 2010
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Totally agree, full width is the way to go.

I always went full width in every Herald/Spitfire, should be able to use an 88 thermostat in winter and an 82 in summer.

spitfire-ian

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3,892 posts

235 months

Sunday 13th June 2010
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Spitfire2 said:
More so for the 1500 than your Mk IV, the cooling is a bit iffy and the benefit of the wider rad is that it gives you a bit extra contingency.
My MkIV does have a 1500 engine fitted so maybe a full width one is the way to go... it's certainly not going to harm it.

itiejim

1,822 posts

212 months

Sunday 13th June 2010
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Spitfire2 said:
I'd respectfully disagree with Jellison.

The narrower radiator which the later Spitfires were fitted with is a bit marginal in terms of cooling ability. Think about it, the 1200 engines on the early Spitfires came with full width radiators.

The only reason Triumph (by then BL) went for the narrow rads on the square tail Spitfires was to save cost and nothing else.

More so for the 1500 than your Mk IV, the cooling is a bit iffy and the benefit of the wider rad is that it gives you a bit extra contingency.

If your old rad is showing its age and you are thinking of replacing, then the full width is the way to go in my opinion.
When Triumph made the rad narrower they also increased the density and cooling properties of the core, therefore, they were able to cool at least as efficiently as the earlier full width ones.

If you aren't making any changes to the engine which will require additional cooling then why change?

V8convert

38 posts

197 months

Sunday 13th June 2010
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I fitted the larger radiator to my 1500 4 years ago and it was a good move, it does make a difference when stood in traffic etc. It also allows you to up grade other parts later on if you want to.
As much as I like my Spitfire they where built to a cost, some times to the detriment of the car.

jellison

12,803 posts

284 months

Monday 14th June 2010
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What I said was if the same std engine then no ned to change, if a larger one (15 vs 13) then, well yes it "would "make sense then.

Spitfire2

1,933 posts

193 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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itiejim said:
Spitfire2 said:
I'd respectfully disagree with Jellison.

The narrower radiator which the later Spitfires were fitted with is a bit marginal in terms of cooling ability. Think about it, the 1200 engines on the early Spitfires came with full width radiators.

The only reason Triumph (by then BL) went for the narrow rads on the square tail Spitfires was to save cost and nothing else.

More so for the 1500 than your Mk IV, the cooling is a bit iffy and the benefit of the wider rad is that it gives you a bit extra contingency.

If your old rad is showing its age and you are thinking of replacing, then the full width is the way to go in my opinion.
When Triumph made the rad narrower they also increased the density and cooling properties of the core, therefore, they were able to cool at least as efficiently as the earlier full width ones.

If you aren't making any changes to the engine which will require additional cooling then why change?
lol. Like I said, more cores or not, the narrow rads are not great at cooling as standard. I don't see that there is any debate - the full width is very worthwhile on a 1500. Less important on a Mk4.

Spitfire2

1,933 posts

193 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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jellison said:
What I said was if the same std engine then no ned to change, if a larger one (15 vs 13) then, well yes it "would "make sense then.
1500 and mk4 came with the same,not very good rad.

Full width is recommended by lots of Triumph experts. Not critical on Mk4 but still strongly recommended even on standard.

The 3 bearing engines need good cooling. It all helps.

V8convert

38 posts

197 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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Worth a try off Triumph Club site I have no knowledge of the seller.

or sale : Spitfire full width radiator with new top and bottom hose . As new , only done 10 miles on my car. Dave Langrick: 07870 876058

Spitfire2

1,933 posts

193 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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I have met Dave L on last years La Carrera Caledonia. Well known in owners club.

I'd say likely to be a good seller.

jellison

12,803 posts

284 months

Thursday 17th June 2010
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Spitfire2 said:
jellison said:
What I said was if the same std engine then no ned to change, if a larger one (15 vs 13) then, well yes it "would "make sense then.
1500 and mk4 came with the same,not very good rad.

Full width is recommended by lots of Triumph experts. Not critical on Mk4 but still strongly recommended even on standard.

The 3 bearing engines need good cooling. It all helps.
My 3 bearing TR4 needs alot of cooling! 230+bhp makes alot of heat! Ford Transit 2.5 Diesel rad wink