TR6 cutting out when hot

TR6 cutting out when hot

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keni010

Original Poster:

8 posts

197 months

Monday 16th June 2008
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Does anyone have an explanation for my TR6 continually cutting out, approx after 1 hour and then after waiting for say 15 minutes it will start and run for about 10 minutes before it cuts out again. I suspect it is something to do with the fuel pump which is hot to the touch at the time. Thanks a lot. Keni 010

SpitBang

14 posts

206 months

Tuesday 17th June 2008
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Hi Keni,

by the sounds of it, I guess you are still fuel injected?
It is a common issue with the original fuel injection pumps to get too hot, overheat the petrol and cause cavitation (evaporation) of petrol in the pump.
You need to cool the pump down, one way of doing this is to add a cooling ring around the pump, which passes excess petrol from the PRV, through a coil around the outside of the pump. http://www.leacymg.co.uk/index.php?product_id=5429...

If that still does not solve the overheating fuel pump problem there is a Bosch fuel pump conversion, costing about £229 + VAT http://www.prestigeinjection.net/pumps2.htm

Edited by SpitBang on Tuesday 17th June 16:29

Combover

3,009 posts

234 months

Wednesday 18th June 2008
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Hi Ken.

It is entirely possible that the problem is with your fuel pump. The pump needs roughly 105 psi in order to perform properly. If it doesn't, it slows and you get fuel starvation hence the reason for the big 6 cutting out.

If you want to retain the original fuel pump like me it is worth noting what I do when on a sunny day in the 5.

  • Lubricate the pump on a regular basis. It stands to reason that a non-lubricated part will seize up more readily. The original Lucas pump on the 5 has been miles better since!
  • Never let the tank drop below 1/3 full. The pump actually uses the cold fuel to help keep it cool. Also when the level drops low, you get fuel vapourisation in the tank which the pump tries to draw through. Fuel pump drawing vapour = fuel starvation = dead 6.
You could replace the pump with a Bosch one (similar pumps can also be found on 2.0 and 2.9 Ford Granadas and 240 Volvos and can be made to work for very little outlay). You could also find a Pierburg pump which you can rig up to force your Lucas pump to carry on in a sort of pre-pump fashion.

The first thing that I would do however, is to check that it is the fuel pump. Whn it won't start, get the Mrs or whoever to start the car and put your head in the boot. No loud whirring noise means its the pump. If the pump Whirrs away on ignition only, then it will be something else.

Keep us posted!

Combover

3,009 posts

234 months

Wednesday 18th June 2008
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SpitBang said:
Hi Keni,

by the sounds of it, I guess you are still fuel injected?
It is a common issue with the original fuel injection pumps to get too hot, overheat the petrol and cause cavitation (evaporation) of petrol in the pump.
You need to cool the pump down, one way of doing this is to add a cooling ring around the pump, which passes excess petrol from the PRV, through a coil around the outside of the pump.
I wouldn't do this. You will only get a few more miles out of it before this overheats too and leaves you with something that takes longer to cool down. Worth thinking about.

Yertis

18,668 posts

273 months

Thursday 19th June 2008
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Combover said:
The first thing that I would do however, is to check that it is the fuel pump. Whn it won't start, get the Mrs or whoever to start the car and put your head in the boot. No loud whirring noise means its the pump. If the pump Whirrs away on ignition only, then it will be something else.

Keep us posted!
But when the pump cavitates it still whirrs away, albeit at a more strident pitch. Doesn't it? Had my Revington Bosch kit in so long I can't remember the last time I had a Lucas cavitate on me.

BTW I've had the Revington kit in for 13 years now and it's been absolutely faultless and maintenance free. Maybe I ought to think about changing the filter. Not had a single problem with the old PI set up in that time either.

Combover

3,009 posts

234 months

Thursday 19th June 2008
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No, if it's overheated, you'll get a pathetic little whir as it attempts and then nothing. The bi-product of a noisy Lucas pump is you can hear it working from the driver's seat!

keni010

Original Poster:

8 posts

197 months

Saturday 21st June 2008
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Thanks a lot for taking the time to answer, all of you. I was running on a low tank at the time so maybe it's that. I'll try it on a long run with a full tank and then consider changing the pump if that doesn't do it. I'll keep you all posted and thanks again. Ken

keni010

Original Poster:

8 posts

197 months

Saturday 21st June 2008
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I'll stick a picture of the TR6 on if someone can tell me how!!

Combover

3,009 posts

234 months

Saturday 21st June 2008
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keni010 said:
I'll stick a picture of the TR6 on if someone can tell me how!!
Use a third party hosting site like Tinypic or similar.

Insert the image url between brackets like shown below (but WITHOUT spaces) and hey presto!

[img] your picture url here [/img]

Quote my reply to see how I did this if you're still unsure:


keni010

Original Poster:

8 posts

197 months

Sunday 22nd June 2008
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Combover said:
keni010 said:
I'll stick a picture of the TR6 on if someone can tell me how!!
Use a third party hosting site like Tinypic or similar.

Insert the image url between brackets like shown below (but WITHOUT spaces) and hey presto!

[img] your picture url here [/img]

Quote my reply to see how I did this if you're still unsure:

(IMG)http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=9sZPMTfpjes9fNyNFzKASQ%3D%3D

TRIED IT, SEE ABOVE, BUT I'M USELESS!!

keni010

Original Poster:

8 posts

197 months

Sunday 22nd June 2008
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Thanks Phil, got there in the end!! This is the car, it won the UK concours in 1999 (still have the cup) and it hasn't been out in any wet since. It really is A1........thanks again for the info re, Tinypics and keeping a fullish tank. I'll keep you posted on that one after the next dry day! Ken

mgturbo96

10 posts

204 months

Sunday 22nd June 2008
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Glad you got the photos sorted Ken - that car looks fantastic!
Phil

Combover

3,009 posts

234 months

Sunday 22nd June 2008
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JESUS, THAT'S STUNNING!!! spermspermsperm

Enjoy it to the full!