Battery replacement, which one?
Battery replacement, which one?
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macdeb

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8,757 posts

284 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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My battery has given up and I need to get a new one. Can someone recommend/explain the difference in batteries that are available? For instance I've read on here that smaller [more expensive] batteries can do the job and that has obvious advantages in the size department. Anyone?

2mad

180 posts

208 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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What car is the battery for.

macdeb

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284 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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Ahh, yeh, would help paperbag. A 2000 Chimaera 450.

neal1980

2,584 posts

268 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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About time we had a few pics of that engine bay aint it mate smile

Guillotine

5,516 posts

293 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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For cost, a standard lead acid (LA) is the best

Gell batteries are a step up
Developed for Aero industry, they are smaller, lighter and safer than LA.
They use better quality (pure lead / electrolyte gell) materials and clever packaging techniques to increase surface area.

Gains are weight (min 50%) and smaller size. Size helps when in the footwell as you gain legroom.

To add a gell battery aint cheap, and you need a UK spec one as some with be useless if flattened.
Then you need a new battery box, terminal posts to use the standatd connections so lots to consider.

I had one in the GRiff (still there) for years with no problems.

How to choose one is Cranking amps (CCA) and them amp hours (aH).
Starting power and running power resp.

Andy


http://www.tvrmonster.com/newspv.html

macdeb

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8,757 posts

284 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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Guillotine said:
For cost, a standard lead acid (LA) is the best

Gell batteries are a step up
Developed for Aero industry, they are smaller, lighter and safer than LA.
They use better quality (pure lead / electrolyte gell) materials and clever packaging techniques to increase surface area.

Gains are weight (min 50%) and smaller size. Size helps when in the footwell as you gain legroom.

To add a gell battery aint cheap, and you need a UK spec one as some with be useless if flattened.
Then you need a new battery box, terminal posts to use the standatd connections so lots to consider.

I had one in the GRiff (still there) for years with no problems.

How to choose one is Cranking amps (CCA) and them amp hours (aH).
Starting power and running power resp.

Andy


http://www.tvrmonster.com/newspv.html
Cheers Andy, now I need to know what CCA and aH????

macdeb

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Sunday 6th March 2011
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neal1980 said:
About time we had a few pics of that engine bay aint it mate smile
Err maybe, another thread though eh? Thanks for heads up, nice to know 'some' may appreciate the effort.

slideways

4,101 posts

250 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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macdeb said:
neal1980 said:
About time we had a few pics of that engine bay aint it mate smile
Err maybe, another thread though eh? Thanks for heads up, nice to know 'some' may appreciate the effort.
you can't beat a bit of TVR porn! keeps me going through the cold winter nights! wink
as the wife says


Edited by slideways on Sunday 6th March 20:32

Guillotine

5,516 posts

293 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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CCA= Cold Cranking Amps. Peak power from full charge / to start an engine. Pulse power.

aH= amp hours. The amount of amps it can deliver over an hour / to run an engine. Duration power.

eg CCA for a Griff is about 660cca and aH is 68ah from memory.(corrected)

Roughly speaking
Gell batteries are generally built for pulse, but the quality gives them good duration anyway. A Leisure battery for a camper/motorhome goes the other way to drive you telly/lights etc. Not very good pulse but very good duration.

A PVR40 is what I recommend for road cars. Plenty of both and 50% size/weight. The car runs off the alternater on the road anyway.

Andy

Edited by Guillotine on Sunday 6th March 21:27

macdeb

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Sunday 6th March 2011
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Guillotine said:
CCA= Cold Cranking Amps. Peak power from full charge / to start an engine. Pulse power.

aH= amp hours. The amount of amps it can deliver over an hour / to run an engine. Duration power.

eg CCA for a Griff is about 660cca and aH is 38ah from memory.

Roughly speaking
Gell batteries are generally built for pulse, but the quality gives them good duration anyway. A Leisure battery for a camper/motorhome goes the other way to drive you telly/lights etc. Not very good pulse but very good duration.

A PVR40 is what I recommend for road cars. Plenty of both and 50% size/weight. The car runs off the alternater on the road anyway.

Andy
Cool, cheers bloke.

bobs4c

314 posts

267 months

Sunday 6th March 2011
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I haven't used them, but when I need a replacement I was going to try these people

http://performancebatteries.co.uk/find_battery/car...

The 750 CCA is what appeals to me as my car lives outside and struggles in these very cold winters!

(See you at CWR on Saturday)

Bob

Biggles101

195 posts

190 months

Monday 7th March 2011
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I just bought an Optima red 4.2 RS. so far this has been fantastic. Smaller than the original in height, so has allowed me to reduce the battery box height. Giving my "loose" relays a greater distance from the heater pipes in the Griff.

FlipFlopGriff

7,144 posts

276 months

Monday 7th March 2011
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bobs4c said:
I haven't used them, but when I need a replacement I was going to try these people

http://performancebatteries.co.uk/find_battery/car...

The 750 CCA is what appeals to me as my car lives outside and struggles in these very cold winters!

(See you at CWR on Saturday)

Bob
We've had the ABX one on the Griff for about 6 months with no issues. Damn heavy though.

Mac - is your battery still in the depths of the footwell? You could look to move it behind the passenger seat or boot, or maybe the fuseboard behind the passenger seat? I think Adrian Venn has moved a few fuseboards there.

FFG

macdeb

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Monday 7th March 2011
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FlipFlopGriff said:
We've had the ABX one on the Griff for about 6 months with no issues. Damn heavy though.

Mac - is your battery still in the depths of the footwell? You could look to move it behind the passenger seat or boot, or maybe the fuseboard behind the passenger seat? I think Adrian Venn has moved a few fuseboards there.

FFG
Yeh, it's definately on my to do next list as it was a bloody pain in the arse [well, back and neck] when we installed the Megasquirt ecu. In fact because of all the mess down there, it caused a short on a relay which took us hours to find because we doubted our own wiring, even made a seperate temporary loom for injectors to get readings we needed. Then we found it was TVR's poxy way of dumping relays on top of the battery furious must have cost us two days pissing about.

bsdnazz

762 posts

282 months

Monday 7th March 2011
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I've got an Optima Red Top 4.2 in my Chim and it's done a great job of starting my daily driver over the winter. It's rated at 815CCA.

I've recently given the battery a hard time by running it down due to a failed alternator and 100A fuse. I recharged it using my Acccumate charger and so far it's been fine. Started fine in -0.5 this morning.

macdeb

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Monday 7th March 2011
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Any links for those mentioned above?

Biggles101

195 posts

190 months

Monday 7th March 2011
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bought my Optima at http://www.batterymegastore.co.uk/ a few weeks ago, they were a little slow due to being out of stock but were the cheapest I could find. Kept me informed though so no complaints thumbup

macdeb

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Tuesday 8th March 2011
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Biggles101 said:
bought my Optima at http://www.batterymegastore.co.uk/ a few weeks ago, they were a little slow due to being out of stock but were the cheapest I could find. Kept me informed though so no complaints thumbup
Cool, cheers bloke thumbup

bsdnazz

762 posts

282 months

Tuesday 8th March 2011
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I got my Optima from CPC Batteries who were in Twickenham at the time. They're now in Surbiton.

Mr Nordic

346 posts

264 months

Tuesday 8th March 2011
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Macdeb
I Use an Optima Red Top, it is fantastic.
I had the same type of Optima battery on my sprint car for 8 years and it was quality hence fitting one to my Tiv 3 years ago and have not looked back, they never let me down.
These have an acid jelly and spiral cells plus can be mounted anyway up and will not leak.

I bought mine from Tayna and they deliver via courier which was really quick, at the time a great price.

http://www.tayna.co.uk/