Sagaris or Tuscan a wonderful dilemma

[Druid]

Hello all

I am now just a couple of weeks away from buying my first TVR, this is the culmination of a dream I have had since a mate bought a Vixen back in the 80s.

The only thing preventing me from buying the car of my dreams before now has just been overcome………………..the divorce will be absolute on April Fools day, how apt?

I am left, however, with a wonderful dilemma!

Do I sell my sole to the awesome (overused word I know but not this time!) appearance and performance of the Sagaris or the sleek curves and cloaked aggression of the Tuscan 2?

Let me try and answer my own question:

I’ve driven them both, first the Tuscan then the Sag within half an hour of each other. The Tuscan seemed half asleep, was that the car, engine warming or my inaptitude and the fact everyone was looking at me? (I know, get used to it). Was half an hour long enough for it to settle down? I was also stuck in traffic, which didn’t give it a fair crack of the whip!

Well, get used to it I did, and when I drove the Sag it just felt easier. At no time did I plant my foot or overstretch the car or indeed my self, I just drove gently trying to get used to it. I even let the aggressive BMW past me on the motorway. To tell the truth I bloody enjoyed knowing that they were all in my pocket should I want that!

The money question. £10k between them. Without wanting to sound flash because I’m not, the money isn’t a problem. In fact, am I the only bloke who has achieved divorce and ended up with some cash? But £10k is a nice little buffer should anything go pop during my TVR ownership. I don’t mean just the TVR but my daily drive, my house and any other of life’s colourful reactions to me living it.

As I said a wonderful dilemma, I think I know the answer as when I looked at the 2 cars together one almost made me wet myself!

Kenny

[TVR_owner]

Buy the Sagaris, without sounding disrepctful to the Tuscan owners out there, they do feel kind of half asleep and disconnected in comparison.

[V8 GRF]

Has to be the Sagaris, apart from all the things you've stated above it's rarity value has to be a plus point for future values and iconic status.

[GT TVR]

Yep, I fall asleep most of the time, that's how boring the Tuscan is...

It all depends on whether you want to be able to drive top down or not. Technically they are very similar (Sag vs. Tuscan 2S). As for looks ...

Pricewise I don't think the difference is 10k (Sag vs. Tuscan 2S), more like 6k. If performance isn't high on your list (and it being your first TVR), you could settle for a 3.6 or 4.0 Tuscan 2 which are still very fast and save a few grand.

Edited by GT TVR on Wednesday 11th March 11:08

Edited by GT TVR on Wednesday 11th March 11:31

[unrepentant]

TVR_owner said:

Buy the Sagaris, without sounding disrepctful to the Tuscan owners out there, they do feel kind of half asleep and disconnected in comparison.

The owners or the cars John?

I've had T1, T2 and Sag and all are great cars. The Tuscan 2 was a big step forward handling wise from the Tuscan 1. The Sagaris has a slightly more planted feel about it and looks like nothing else on the road. Engine wise the Sag and the Tuscan "S" are pretty much the same (20 more theoretical BHP for the Sag?) and I would doubt that most people could feel any discernable difference in performance, unless they are as good as John or on the track. (Or both). If the Tuscan felt half asleep it probably wasn't a very good example?

It depends on what you want the car for. If you like to drive to the South of France with a fortnights luggage in the boot and the wind in your hair then maybe the Tuscan is the car for you? I will confess that I do miss being able to take the roof off. If you want the ultimate hooning machine and dont mind a lot of attention then get a Sag in a wild colour.

[TVR_owner]

GT TVR said:

Yep, I fall asleep most of the time, that's how boring the Tuscan is...

It all depends on whether you want to be able to drive top down or not. Technically they are very similar (Sag vs. Tuscan 2S). As for looks ...

Pricewise I don't think the difference is 10k (Sag vs. Tuscan 2S), more like 6k. Unless performance isn't high on your list (and it being your first TVR), then you could settle for a 3.6 or 4.0 Tuscan 2 and save a few grand.

Edited by GT TVR on Wednesday 11th March 11:08

Now don't get all of a strop ...it was a comparison..

I didn't say the Tuscan felt half asleep period.

The Tuscans I've driven feel a little like they have a rubber joint in the steering column and an extra foot on the wheel base.........in comparison with a Sagaris.

But then maybe I've made the mistake of comparing standard Tuscan 2 S with properly sorted Sagaris.

Edited by TVR_owner on Wednesday 11th March 11:24

[GT TVR]

TVR_owner said:

I didn't say the Tuscan felt half asleep period.

Edited by TVR_owner on Wednesday 11th March 11:24

Yes you did, yes you did and now you've done it!!!

Edited by GT TVR on Wednesday 11th March 11:38

[glow worm]

Get a Tuscan 2 S Convertible... certainly keeps me awake... Plus you can take the roof off and you've got a boot for essentials (like golf clubs).... which of course you'll also be buying once you divorce comes through

Edited by glow worm on Wednesday 11th March 11:57

[Druid]

TVR_owner said:

Buy the Sagaris, without sounding disrepctful to the Tuscan owners out there, they do feel kind of half asleep and disconnected in comparison.

I did also say I didnt give the car a fair crack of the whip, perhaps I need to revisit it again.

V8 GRF said:

Has to be the Sagaris, apart from all the things you've stated above it's rarity value has to be a plus point for future values and iconic status.

Rarity now that is a good point, although resale values aren't a reason for buying. Of course rarity restricts the numbers of those that are available to buy.

GT TVR said:

Yep, I fall asleep most of the time, that's how boring the Tuscan is...

It all depends on whether you want to be able to drive top down or not. Technically they are very similar (Sag vs. Tuscan 2S). As for looks ...

Pricewise I don't think the difference is 10k (Sag vs. Tuscan 2S), more like 6k. If performance isn't high on your list (and it being your first TVR), you could settle for a 3.6 or 4.0 Tuscan 2 which are still very fast and save a few grand.

I considered the convertable question but forgot it when I posted.......does that mean its not important for me?

unrepentant said:

TVR_owner said:

Buy the Sagaris, without sounding disrepctful to the Tuscan owners out there, they do feel kind of half asleep and disconnected in comparison.

The owners or the cars John?

I've had T1, T2 and Sag and all are great cars. The Tuscan 2 was a big step forward handling wise from the Tuscan 1. The Sagaris has a slightly more planted feel about it and looks like nothing else on the road. Engine wise the Sag and the Tuscan "S" are pretty much the same (20 more theoretical BHP for the Sag?) and I would doubt that most people could feel any discernable difference in performance, unless they are as good as John or on the track. (Or both). If the Tuscan felt half asleep it probably wasn't a very good example?

It depends on what you want the car for. If you like to drive to the South of France with a fortnights luggage in the boot and the wind in your hair then maybe the Tuscan is the car for you? I will confess that I do miss being able to take the roof off. If you want the ultimate hooning machine and dont mind a lot of attention then get a Sag in a wild colour.

When I saw the Sagaris in the flesh it had an affect on me thats for sure. Photographs don't do it justice. Yes the boot on the Tuscan was huge but hey I can travel light.............I'm doing it again, convincing myself!

glow worm said:

Get a Tuscan 2 S Convertible... certainly keeps me awake... Plus you can take the roof off and you've got a boot for essentials (like golf clubs).... which of course you'll also be buying once you divorce comes through

Edited by glow worm on Wednesday 11th March 11:57

The convertable is definately an option for me.....how confused am I?

Edited by Druid on Wednesday 11th March 12:14

[glow worm]

Have a look here.... http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...

[Druid]

glow worm said:

Have a look here.... http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...

The convertible is quite a rare beast too.

[GT TVR]

Druid said:

glow worm said:

Have a look here.... http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...

The convertible is quite a rare beast too.

Targa mkII is even rarer, but then ... who cares. Buy the one you like. Good luck!

[noddy2]

I find this thread very interesting, as I had exactly this dilemma in 2005 when we had a deposit down on a Tuscan Convertible from the 2004 motor show.It was taking so long for Tvr to get the hood design right, that I started to get itchy feet. As soon as the Sagaris demonstrator arrived at TMS I was there, crawling all over it.First sight of the car blew me away,and still does three and a half years later. I think the Tuscan Convertible is a very pretty car and would still consider it, if I was looking to change and a drop top was important.If the tuscan you are considering is a targa I would't buy it as I never considered the roof design quite right.(and I did own one for three years)
Dead boring this part, but the extra luggage space in the Tuscan can be a factor also.
Hope you manage a decision based on YOUR opinions not mine or others and besides I was born on April fools day,so what do I know!

[TOV!E]

glow worm said:

Get a Tuscan 2 S Convertible... certainly keeps me awake... Plus you can take the roof off and you've got a boot for essentials (like golf clubs).... which of course you'll also be buying once you divorce comes through

Edited by glow worm on Wednesday 11th March 11:57

DITTO, Saggy a fantastic car if you like the looks TUSCAN S CONVERT, better looks and pulling power, now you are on the PULL again.

[blackiepaul]

I have a Sag and love it but I do not think you will go wrong with either.

[glow worm]

GT TVR said:

Druid said:

glow worm said:

Have a look here.... http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...

The convertible is quite a rare beast too.

Targa mkII is even rarer, but then ... who cares. Buy the one you like. Good luck!

Not sure anyone knows the answer to that..one set of figures says 80 targas (need a Targa register!!),83 Verts and 211 sags.. that doesn't stack up to me... I was told 105 verts, number of sags seems too high... but as you say who cares provided you've got at least one of them...

[eburacum]

What about me, I've owned both Sag and Tuscan convertable, the Tuscan is my current vehicle, no difference in performance.

[rejn]

Druid said:

I’ve driven them both, first the Tuscan then the Sag within half an hour of each other. The Tuscan seemed half asleep, was that the car, engine warming or my inaptitude and the fact everyone was looking at me? (I know, get used to it). Was half an hour long enough for it to settle down? I was also stuck in traffic, which didn’t give it a fair crack of the whip!

In my experience, they're both monster quick, and I couldn't tell you which was faster. From the cars I've driven (which have been completely standard), the Sagaris felt much more skittish and nervous compared to the Tuscan - especially along less than perfect road surfaces.

Add in the fact that you can take the roof down, and the fact that I think the cabin feels less claustrophobic in the Tuscan and it was an easy decision for me. I have never regretted "only" getting the Tuscan 2S convertible, not even when chasing (and keeping up with ) 911GT3s round Silverstone...

I guess you just need to go with your heart on this - they are all great cars, but forget all sensible thought and go with what you love - but make sure you give the Tuscan a chance and give it a fair comparison - I think you may be surprised!

[Druid]

Thanks for the opinions although truth be known am I any the wiser?

What did I expect? Unless everyone said one or the other then the decision would always be how I feel about a particular car.

I love the look of the Tuscan and I love the Sagaris shouting 'I'm here now'.

I do of course realise that whichever I choose I will be happy so all I need to consider is:

Connection
Rareity Value
Looks
Power
Boot size
Roof off
Pulling Power??

and of course cost

Noddy2 have a good day on April Fools day.............I know I will

[GT TVR]

Druid said:

Thanks for the opinions although truth be known am I any the wiser?

What did I expect? Unless everyone said one or the other then the decision would always be how I feel about a particular car.

I love the look of the Tuscan and I love the Sagaris shouting 'I'm here now'.

I do of course realise that whichever I choose I will be happy so all I need to consider is:

Connection
Rareity Value
Looks
Power
Boot size
Roof off
Pulling Power??

and of course cost

Noddy2 have a good day on April Fools day.............I know I will

So many people, so many opinions.
Rest assured, which ever you chose, they are all great cars. Will also depend on what's available, the price and the condition, as well as colour.