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Some of us already run on alcohol No matter what the scare mongers say there's hundreds of years of oil left. They told us in the early 1970s that oil was running out - just a ruse to stick the arm in under the guise of environmental sustainability IMO.
Don't worry Car Freak your great great great grandchildren won't even have to worry about oil supplies.
Don't worry Car Freak your great great great grandchildren won't even have to worry about oil supplies.
jigs said:
No matter what the scare mongers say there's hundreds of years of oil left. They told us in the early 1970s that oil was running out - just a ruse to stick the arm in under the guise of environmental sustainability IMO.
Just a ruse
Current thinking is for oil/gas production to peak in the next 10-20 years or so. Measurement techniques and modelling has improved dramatically over the last 30 years, satellites, seismology etc. Also there is an increasing demand as the less developed countries such as China and India continue move forward.
By mass roughly 90% of crude is burnt, 15% to petrol and 20% to diesel. More importantly, 10% supports the petrochemical industry to use as pharmaceuticals, plastics, soaps, paints, industry etc. It would therefore be beneficial to reduce dependence on this resource as a fuel, let alone the environmental implications.
Dave.
marino said:
By mass roughly 90% of crude is burnt, 15% to petrol and 20% to diesel. More importantly, 10% supports the petrochemical industry to use as pharmaceuticals, plastics, soaps, paints, industry etc. It would therefore be beneficial to reduce dependence on this resource as a fuel, let alone the environmental implications.
Dave.
Recycling is all the rage, you know. Burning fossil fuels simply replaces the carbon dioxide that was taken from the atmosphere millions of years ago by the carboniferous forests. Hence using petrol is simply restoring the balance of nature. We should receive grants to do it.
You're referring to oil deposits that can only be economically accessed at present - i.e. a small fraction of oil in earth's crust, under oceans, etc.
As technology advances much more oil will be accessible - e.g. some abandoned North Sea oilfields have recently been reopened because of improved extraction methods.
Greens just love to feed us all doom and gloom.
As technology advances much more oil will be accessible - e.g. some abandoned North Sea oilfields have recently been reopened because of improved extraction methods.
Greens just love to feed us all doom and gloom.
andyvdg said:
Errr, can't you make oil out of plants e.g. vegtable oil ?
Andy.
No qualifications in the chemical industry
Does buy petrol so interested in the price!
Seem to remember that SASOL (SA state oil firm) and the old NCB had research programmes for extracting petrol from coal... I think that it worked too.
Paul.
[andy/]Quite well qualified in that chemistry stuff and petrol user too[andy]
car freak said:All cars will be powered by fuel cells and TVR's expertise will be in extracting huge performance from the technology together with engineering built-in amplifiers and speakers to exactly replicate the demonic exhaust sounds enjoyed by current TVR owners.
In the distant future when fuel eventually runs out will TVR convert there engines to hydrogen,LPG etc and if so will they still be ball tearingly fast or will TVR just stop making cars
jigs said:
You're referring to oil deposits that can only be economically accessed at present - i.e. a small fraction of oil in earth's crust, under oceans, etc.
As technology advances much more oil will be accessible - e.g. some abandoned North Sea oilfields have recently been reopened because of improved extraction methods.
Greens just love to feed us all doom and gloom.
The post was not from a political perspective, but a reflection on current science. There will obviously be deposits that will become viable as technology changes and the cost of crude rises, but don't forget that technology will also increase productivity and reduce the cost of gleaning energy from natural sources.
As we burn the vast majority of extracted oil and the knowledge exists to significantly reduce consumption with little effect on living standards, it would seem a little silly to take an overtly positive stance on reserves.
As for the Green's, there is equal pressure from the companies that make money from oil. As always there is a balance to be reached.
Dave.
Simpo two, I assume you were just baiting me.
>> Edited by marino on Monday 13th October 13:28
Oil reserves are about 15 years.
And they have been about 15 years for the last 50 years or so.
The measure of oil reserves is known reserves, extractable commercially at todays prices.
There are many known reserves, not currently commercial, but with improved technology could be.
There are also unkown reserves - and when you have 15 yeras or reserves already, you only need to explore at the rate of 1 year of reserves per year, hence the known reserves staying almost constant.
Neil, Tufty Club, Blue Peter Silver badge.
>> Edited by Size Nine Elm on Monday 13th October 16:55
And they have been about 15 years for the last 50 years or so.
The measure of oil reserves is known reserves, extractable commercially at todays prices.
There are many known reserves, not currently commercial, but with improved technology could be.
There are also unkown reserves - and when you have 15 yeras or reserves already, you only need to explore at the rate of 1 year of reserves per year, hence the known reserves staying almost constant.
Neil, Tufty Club, Blue Peter Silver badge.
>> Edited by Size Nine Elm on Monday 13th October 16:55
So, the top and bottom of it appears to be "people must drive TVRs for at least the next 200 yrs. Otherwise all that oil will just be lying about doing nowt."
I like that. I like TVRs and I like the greenhouse effect, as long as the weather is better and my local cleans up it's beer garden.
Paul. DeputisesforGodwhenHeisoffplayinggolf
I like that. I like TVRs and I like the greenhouse effect, as long as the weather is better and my local cleans up it's beer garden.
Paul. DeputisesforGodwhenHeisoffplayinggolf
jellison said:
Oil is running out FAST - prices will be bonkers in ten years - all in Electric other fuel in 20 - 30.
Enjoy it while you can.....
Jon
BSc Geology
MSc Petroleum Geology
Work in Oil Ind.
Jon,
Everyone falls foul of this (due respect to your professional qualifications).....
Known oil reserves are running low and this combined with the lack of political impetus to drill in ecologically delicate or inaccessible areas provides the main driver for the "we're running out of Oil" commentary.
But you must agree that there are likely to be vast reserves not yet found or others found but not fully exploited. With a geological map of the world in front of you and an overlay of existing fields, you begin to see the areas that may hold some huge reserves as yet untapped.
Tivster
BSc(Hons) Geology
Specialist Cap Verde Islands Igneous Petrologist,
Now BiB
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