Could this be done??

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davidd

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6,577 posts

299 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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There is much debate about teh current range of TVR's, engines etc so..(and let's forget horror stories about engines breaking, reliability, availability etc, etc).

Would an AJP8 or s6 motor go in a Griff or Chim? If so what ould have to be done?

Could they be made to handle as well as the Tamora is supposed to (I have not driven one so I cannot comment).

Has anyone done it?

And while we are at it can I plese have a 6 speed sequential gearbox?

D.

plotloss

67,280 posts

285 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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Havent the factory got a Griff with an AJP8 in it?

Matt.

pbrettle

3,280 posts

298 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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Davidd,

Anything is possible at a cost - would be an interesting proposition though. I guess that it is like most manufacturers and modifications. Wait until the cars get to be a reasonable price (Christoph excluded) and then the moders get to them....

Take a look at :

www.t-v-r-services.co.uk/tvrs_home.htm
www.v8developments.co.uk/

for the type of thing that can be done today. Most people modify the S and Wedge models, but I guess it wont be long before they are doing Chimaeras and Griffiths....

Cheers,

Paul

PetrolTed

34,447 posts

318 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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Havent the factory got a Griff with an AJP8 in it?


I believe so.

As far as I recall, the Griffith 500 came out in lieu of the AJP engined Griff as they couldn't sort the engine out in time. The chassis could cope with it. I think there's also been a factory car with a Speed 6 in it as a test bed.

Mind you the factory also fitted a beige Sierra estate with a V8, I can't remember whether that was a Rover or AJP!

davidd

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6,577 posts

299 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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So if the factory have one then it must fit, come on then techy people how hard do you think it would be?

For instance are the gearboxes the same?

Gaffer

7,156 posts

292 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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Ahh that would Dad's old car - UHH 5.
It was a 1.8 cream Sierra estate but had Colin Blowers old 2.8 Tasmin racing engine with carbs rather than an injection thingy not a V8. It was also lowered with the (then) current TVR wheels and uprated TVR suspension. It was a TVR in disguse. It was brilliant for Traffic Light Grand Prix's.

It replaced the silver estate that was also used to test new bits and pieces with ended up on production cars.

I remember it well. Especially PW face as I handbraked it past him at Donnington.



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Lee J

100 posts

298 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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Havent the factory got a Griff with an AJP8 in it?


I believe so.

As far as I recall, the Griffith 500 came out in lieu of the AJP engined Griff as they couldn't sort the engine out in time. The chassis could cope with it. I think there's also been a factory car with a Speed 6 in it as a test bed.

Mind you the factory also fitted a beige Sierra estate with a V8, I can't remember whether that was a Rover or AJP!


You are pretty much spot on with the Griff Ted, the car in question is a blue Griff L110 BFV John Ravenscrofts usual transport.
This car has had a 4.3l & 5.0l Rover V8 fitted as well as 4.2l & 4.5l AJP8's and more recently 4.0l Speed Six engines, as you may guess this car has been the test bed for all the early versions of the engines.
Due to the short wheelbase and the power being made it was supposed to be quite entertaining with both the AJP8 and the Speed Six engines fitted!.

davidd

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Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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Due to the short wheelbase and the power being made it was supposed to be quite entertaining with both the AJP8 and the Speed Six engines fitted!.



Cool, twin engined, 14cyl, 8 and a bit ltr Griff, entertaining is one word.....

Would a V8 and S6 make a 'Y' engine ?

Lee J

100 posts

298 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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How did you know about the prototype Y14 8.5l 1000bhp quad turboed nitromethane fuelled engine whoops! I really should stop giving away secrets like that.

atg

22,112 posts

287 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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Would a V8 and S6 make a 'Y' engine ?

No. they would make very loud bang and lots of small pieces of metal.

PetrolTed

34,447 posts

318 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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You are pretty much spot on with the Griff Ted, the car in question is a blue Griff L110 BFV John Ravenscrofts usual transport.


This one?

Lee J

100 posts

298 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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That will be the one Ted and just out of interest the Mondeo in front used to be John Reid's ( The boss of the Tuscan racing Department) before it was written off.

JonRB

78,002 posts

287 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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the factory also fitted a beige Sierra estate with a V8, I can't remember whether that was a Rover or AJP!
I remember that car! I visited the factory in the early '90s after my dad's 400SE had been on the chassis jig for repairs following a shunt, and we saw this Sierra up on one of the ramps being worked on. Had 70's Wolfrace wheels on with "TVR" hubs as I recall.

Very much a Q car by the looks of it.

JonRB

78,002 posts

287 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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It was a 1.8 cream Sierra estate but had Colin Blowers old 2.8 Tasmin racing engine with carbs rather than an injection thingy not a V8. It was also lowered with the (then) current TVR wheels and uprated TVR suspension. It was a TVR in disguse.
Ah, that will have been it then. Were the (then) current TVR wheels similar to the Wolfrace ones then?

Gaffer

7,156 posts

292 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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Can't remember what wheels were on. I have a vague recollection of OZ's but I could be wrong. If I remember I will ask him next time he checks up on me. Oops I mean calls.

shpub

8,507 posts

287 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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Davidd,

Anything is possible at a cost - would be an interesting proposition though. I guess that it is like most manufacturers and modifications. Wait until the cars get to be a reasonable price (Christoph excluded) and then the moders get to them....

Take a look at :

www.t-v-r-services.co.uk/tvrs_home.htm
www.v8developments.co.uk/

for the type of thing that can be done today. Most people modify the S and Wedge models, but I guess it wont be long before they are doing Chimaeras and Griffiths....

Cheers,

Paul



I considered taking the 520 engine and dropping that into the Griff and building a bigger engine for the Wedge. The 11 mpg cruising and the 1-2 mpg whne wellying it stopped me as the Griff is a shopping trolley Sent the 520 engine back for a triple throttle body upgrade, fitted a second fuel pump (about 12 litres a minute to the engine) and hopefulluy we will have a 400+ bhp powered wedge. However this type of modification is not cheap but I have ended up with a road legal race car which is fine by me.

The story behind the 520SE Wedge is in next month's Sprint. As for power comparison. How about 150 bhp more than a chipped Griff 500 at 6000 rpm.
260 bhp at just above idle? Everything and I mean everything with the exception of the diff had to be uporated and strengthened. Currently totally rebuilding the brakes and suspesnion again to cope with the extra BHP. Clutches are now a consumable and rear tyres last around 800-1000 miles.

So yes anything is possible but not for the fainthearted!

Stve
www.tvrbooks.co.uk

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davidd

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299 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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Steve

I've followed the development of your cars from the email lists and now on Pistonheads, from early days when you were sprinting in your normal car with the most basic mods to this point when I suspect there are many evil laughs emitting from your shed at night as you cook up new more methods of extracting power from that poor rover lump.

The question is, and forgetting the enjoyment of learning about engines, how they work, how to get more power etc. If you could have a different motor (not rover based and I'm not trying to start another fight here, I'm interested!) in your car and still stay in the same class would you use a different one? And if so which one?

Same question to PH and the Green V8s

JSG

2,238 posts

298 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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Can't remember what wheels were on. I have a vague recollection of OZ's but I could be wrong. If I remember I will ask him next time he checks up on me. Oops I mean calls.



I think the 'Wolfrace lookalike' wheels fitted to the first S series were made by Oz - probably was those. Sad knowing these facts but I'm a S series addict

Cheers,
JSG

PetrolTed

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318 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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Lee J

100 posts

298 months

Wednesday 23rd January 2002
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Right then Ted as you seem to have a picture of every car associated with TVR I give you a challenge to find a picture of Peter Wheelers white M Turbo and the first registered current Griff.