Should TVR scrap some models??
Discussion
At present TVR has Ten different specs of car...
I think that TVR should scrap building the Chimaera and possibly the Cerbera. This would allow them to concerntrate on the Tamora, Tuscan and Tuscan R.
Maybe this would increase build quality and improve the reputation of the speed-six engines.
My only thought is that the Cerbera should probably be replaced at some point because TVR do need to have 2+2 in their range IMO.
What does everyone else think??
I think that TVR should scrap building the Chimaera and possibly the Cerbera. This would allow them to concerntrate on the Tamora, Tuscan and Tuscan R.
Maybe this would increase build quality and improve the reputation of the speed-six engines.
My only thought is that the Cerbera should probably be replaced at some point because TVR do need to have 2+2 in their range IMO.
What does everyone else think??
I imagine the Chimaera is approaching the end already, but they'll have to wait until the Tamora's sales are well and truly established. But I can't see them dropping the Cerbera if it is still selling well. Tamora and Chim overlap a lot, so dropping one makes good sense, but why drop the Cerbera?
I don't really want them to drop the cerbie as I love the Cerbie, I had one!!.
Firstly they probably don't build that many Cerbies and secondly as I said before,they need to have a 2+2 in their range.
The point I'm making is that IMO they have too many different models and derivatives to get their quality control right. Dropping some of them may help that AND at the same time simplify the production line a bit and shorten the waiting times.
Edited by flasher on Sunday 13th January 20:18
Firstly they probably don't build that many Cerbies and secondly as I said before,they need to have a 2+2 in their range.
The point I'm making is that IMO they have too many different models and derivatives to get their quality control right. Dropping some of them may help that AND at the same time simplify the production line a bit and shorten the waiting times.
Edited by flasher on Sunday 13th January 20:18
I personally can't see any sense in continuing production of the Chim. It seems to be in direct competition with the Tamora, except I think I'm right in saying the latter is cheaper, a fair bit faster, handles much better and is for the time being more exclusive. I suppose the Chim has got a bigger boot but if you want practicality then don't get a TVR fullstop.
Some may complain the Tamora doesn't have a V8, and its looks are "acquired", but IMO the Chim isn't exactly the looker of the bunch either. (Incoming, take cover!
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Alternatively, as long as customers continue to order and pay for them, maybe TVR should just continue to make them.
Some may complain the Tamora doesn't have a V8, and its looks are "acquired", but IMO the Chim isn't exactly the looker of the bunch either. (Incoming, take cover!
) Alternatively, as long as customers continue to order and pay for them, maybe TVR should just continue to make them.
flasher, agree with that 100%. Although not a TVR owner, I would shed a big tear if they quit - they're the last of the true Brits (no offense to ultra-low-volume folk), and they defy the PC brigade totally.
Worry about their multi-model policy bringing them down though, and they would have to quit if they overcooked it. Tamora/Tuscan/New Cerb seems a good recipe. Incidentally, why do so many TVR diehards have reservations re Tamora? Surely it will do well.
Worry about their multi-model policy bringing them down though, and they would have to quit if they overcooked it. Tamora/Tuscan/New Cerb seems a good recipe. Incidentally, why do so many TVR diehards have reservations re Tamora? Surely it will do well.
I personally think they should keep the Chim, make a Tuscan 2+2 and scrap the Cerbera.
OR reduce the model palette, i.e. Chim only 500, Cerbera only speed 6, etc. etc.
If only they didn't have the (perceived) speed 6 problems and the general quality problems, TVR could be a world-class player.
I've said it before and say it again. If they came clean with facts and figures on the speed 6 rebuilds (which I am sure are harmless) I think they would be swamped with orders.
That their sales have gone downhill so much are IMHO almost exclusively a result of the speed 6 problems.
I think they should keep the Chim, which has a "classic" feel and look to it, which many prefer to the Tamora.
Rgds, WalterU
Edited by WalterU on Sunday 13th January 21:40
OR reduce the model palette, i.e. Chim only 500, Cerbera only speed 6, etc. etc.
If only they didn't have the (perceived) speed 6 problems and the general quality problems, TVR could be a world-class player.
I've said it before and say it again. If they came clean with facts and figures on the speed 6 rebuilds (which I am sure are harmless) I think they would be swamped with orders.
That their sales have gone downhill so much are IMHO almost exclusively a result of the speed 6 problems.
I think they should keep the Chim, which has a "classic" feel and look to it, which many prefer to the Tamora.
Rgds, WalterU
Edited by WalterU on Sunday 13th January 21:40
As a Chim owner I would be sad to see production end. But at the end of the day Flashers right, too many models.
I think the Rover V8 would be missed rather than the actual car (Griff and Chim).
However, I would be totally supportive if TVR utilized the AJP8 in a new model.
Personnally, I hope they drop the Cerbera SS and just keep the AJP8 versions. Leave the SS to the Tuscan and Tamora.
I guess the fact that the AJP8 is only in the Cerbera means that TVR are probably scrapping that V8 also.
I think the Rover V8 would be missed rather than the actual car (Griff and Chim).
However, I would be totally supportive if TVR utilized the AJP8 in a new model.
Personnally, I hope they drop the Cerbera SS and just keep the AJP8 versions. Leave the SS to the Tuscan and Tamora.
I guess the fact that the AJP8 is only in the Cerbera means that TVR are probably scrapping that V8 also.
and its also the best V8 I've ever driven, incl. Ferraris V8. Pleeeease MR. Wheeler we want more TVRs with the AJP8 in it !!!!
I'm with you there Christof.
I always wanted a Griff with an AJP 8 engine. I think that should have gone in the Tuscan and the S6 should have never been built.But it's here to stay.
My main point here is that TVR most successful period was when they just had the Chimaera and Griffith. Anyone who has been to Blackpool can see why.
I would go with this:-
TVR Cerbera 4.5 red rose
TVR Tuscan S
TVR Tuscan R
TVR Tamora
At the moment they have :-
Chimaera 450
Chimaera 500
Griffith 500 (only a couple left)
Tamora
Cerbera 4.2
Cerbera S6
Cerbera 4.5
Tuscan
Tuscan S
Tuscan R
It's too much for such a small company.
I always wanted a Griff with an AJP 8 engine. I think that should have gone in the Tuscan and the S6 should have never been built.But it's here to stay.
My main point here is that TVR most successful period was when they just had the Chimaera and Griffith. Anyone who has been to Blackpool can see why.
I would go with this:-
TVR Cerbera 4.5 red rose
TVR Tuscan S
TVR Tuscan R
TVR Tamora
At the moment they have :-
Chimaera 450
Chimaera 500
Griffith 500 (only a couple left)
Tamora
Cerbera 4.2
Cerbera S6
Cerbera 4.5
Tuscan
Tuscan S
Tuscan R
It's too much for such a small company.
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The TVR engines were developed on budget and are not as refined as mainstream units.
You can't have owned a TVR then. The day they stick a bloody BMW lump in one is the day I buy something else
. If you knew anything about Peter Wheeler you would know this will never happen. The beauty of TVR is it's engines aren,t "refined" It's like driving a racing car. That's the whole point... The cars are totally different and individual and absolutely nothing like anything else on the road. Long may it continue
. I say cut the range and the quality of the cars AND the engines will improve. Edited by flasher on Monday 14th January 06:40
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You can't have owned a TVR then. The day they stick a bloody BMW lump in one is the day I buy something else
They did it with the rover lump, so I dont see why they cant employ the same strategy again. It'd not put me off in the slightest, infact the chance of (potentialy) cheaper servicing & reliability issues seems like an decent incentive to me.
They'll eventually need to phase the Rover V8 out, so that means they should scrap the Chim.
The Tamora with the 'cooking' Speed 6 is a good enrty level. With the Tuscan and Tuscan S following on, in a fairly logical way. The 6 is a lovely engine (provided it's functioning), and must surely be sorted by now?
The Cerbera 6, 4.2 & 4.5 also fit well and serve a purpose in the range, though perhaps a minor styling re-work wouldn't hurt. The AJP V8 should be kept since, as already pointed out, it is one of the most exciting road car engines ever.
This leaves the confusion at the top of the range - i.e. Tuscan R (2+2), and the Cerbera Speed 12. There's no doubt a flagship, TVR supercar in there somewhere, but I'm bu66ered if I can understand how or what is going on there.
Marcus
& Ocean Haze Griff 500
The Tamora with the 'cooking' Speed 6 is a good enrty level. With the Tuscan and Tuscan S following on, in a fairly logical way. The 6 is a lovely engine (provided it's functioning), and must surely be sorted by now?
The Cerbera 6, 4.2 & 4.5 also fit well and serve a purpose in the range, though perhaps a minor styling re-work wouldn't hurt. The AJP V8 should be kept since, as already pointed out, it is one of the most exciting road car engines ever.
This leaves the confusion at the top of the range - i.e. Tuscan R (2+2), and the Cerbera Speed 12. There's no doubt a flagship, TVR supercar in there somewhere, but I'm bu66ered if I can understand how or what is going on there.
Marcus
& Ocean Haze Griff 500
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