Griffith v. Boxster S (resale)
Discussion
Didn't know whether to post this in the Porsche forum or not. I'll put it on here for now so as not to make them cry.
Why are Griffiths worth more on the second hand car market ?
I am sure that those Porsche girls and boys are under the impression that all Porsches are better than TVR's. So why is this ?
Surely the market place is the perfect indicator as to which is the far superior car and thus - the Griffith is leading the way as they are more expensive to buy, like for like (Year & Mileage)
Why are Griffiths worth more on the second hand car market ?
I am sure that those Porsche girls and boys are under the impression that all Porsches are better than TVR's. So why is this ?
Surely the market place is the perfect indicator as to which is the far superior car and thus - the Griffith is leading the way as they are more expensive to buy, like for like (Year & Mileage)
Gazboy said:
Define superior mate, they don't compete for the same niche so people will place certain values above others in what they want for a £15-20k car.
I know Gaz. It was mainly tongue in cheek.But surely, price is the only true indicator of value. A Boxster will at least do as much as a Griffith, if not more, whatever the use.
I know there are more of them about but I am surprised at how cheap one can pick a Boxster up for nowadays.
lazy said:
I know there are more of them about but I am surprised at how cheap one can pick a Boxster up for nowadays.
The truly cheap ones £<10K are 2.5s and 10 years old. Personally I wouldn't.The bargain ones are the Boxster S cars at around £20K (or even less!). 5 years old, 30K miles or so. You could get one like that with a proper Porsche warranty so if anything bad goes wrong they fix it. The car can maintain that warranty for five further years.
Slow? Well, much slower than a Griff. In comparison to the vast majority of road cars - quick.
Griff is a totally different kind of car...and it is in limited supply...Porsche are a mass manufacturer now (at least of bog standard 911s, Boxsters, Caymans and Cayennes) if you wanted something similar from them you would need to buy a GT3/2.
Gazboy said:
lazy said:
Gazboy said:
Define superior mate, they don't compete for the same niche so people will place certain values above others in what they want for a £15-20k car.
I know Gaz. It was mainly tongue in cheek.But surely, price is the only true indicator of value. A Boxster will at least do as much as a Griffith, if not more, whatever the use.
I know there are more of them about but I am surprised at how cheap one can pick a Boxster up for nowadays.
So, a good showing for the Boxster and alot of attraction for alot of buyers. But the Griff still commands a better price.
Must be down to availability and rarity as mentioned.
I like both cars.
I like the Boxster 'cos its got 260 litres of boot space, and a spare wheel, a 64 litre tank, and the car is good on fuel so its got a great range, its got a roomyish cockpit, with well thought out nooks and crannies for all the stuff you carry on long journeys. The fact that its one of the finest handling cars on the market is also a bonus, plus i'm wise enough to realise you don't just measure speed over straight lines. I think its one of the best cars for trips to the alps, its great on motorways going there and great on the roads when you get there, and its got great heritage, the lot.
The downside is of course, that the world and his wife seems to have one. Especially the wives. They'll never turn heads. (The car, not the wives). Plus, the risk of dodgy engines is a bit off putting
But i like Griffs also. For me, its my favourite Tiv looks-wise, with classic British sportscar looks that will only be appreciated more as it ages. I don't think it'll have the well thought-out attributes of the Boxster, but it makes up with that absolutely fantastic soundtrack, and not forgetting it too is a pretty fine handling car too.
Its an older car though, with all that entails, and the prospect of rusty chassis' are rising to the fore as well.
I didn't know that they were fetching higher prices than Boxsters Esses though, and thats great news. I rather worried Tivs could descend into bangerdom, and if they're not, well that's great.
I think the Chim and Griff will keep the 'TVR industry' going for a long time. The time will come when quality replacement chassis will become commonplace, and when a good supply of freshly restored Tivs will be available. And lets be brutally honest, a well restored Tiv may well end up being a better car than the original, which is quite often the case with a lot, if not all, classic cars. Things can only get better.
I like the Boxster 'cos its got 260 litres of boot space, and a spare wheel, a 64 litre tank, and the car is good on fuel so its got a great range, its got a roomyish cockpit, with well thought out nooks and crannies for all the stuff you carry on long journeys. The fact that its one of the finest handling cars on the market is also a bonus, plus i'm wise enough to realise you don't just measure speed over straight lines. I think its one of the best cars for trips to the alps, its great on motorways going there and great on the roads when you get there, and its got great heritage, the lot.
The downside is of course, that the world and his wife seems to have one. Especially the wives. They'll never turn heads. (The car, not the wives). Plus, the risk of dodgy engines is a bit off putting
But i like Griffs also. For me, its my favourite Tiv looks-wise, with classic British sportscar looks that will only be appreciated more as it ages. I don't think it'll have the well thought-out attributes of the Boxster, but it makes up with that absolutely fantastic soundtrack, and not forgetting it too is a pretty fine handling car too.
Its an older car though, with all that entails, and the prospect of rusty chassis' are rising to the fore as well.
I didn't know that they were fetching higher prices than Boxsters Esses though, and thats great news. I rather worried Tivs could descend into bangerdom, and if they're not, well that's great.
I think the Chim and Griff will keep the 'TVR industry' going for a long time. The time will come when quality replacement chassis will become commonplace, and when a good supply of freshly restored Tivs will be available. And lets be brutally honest, a well restored Tiv may well end up being a better car than the original, which is quite often the case with a lot, if not all, classic cars. Things can only get better.
SLOWER said:
also a Boxster S is painfully slow when compared to a Griff500 or a proper Porsche.
Incorrect. I've had a Griff 500, 911 and driven a Boxster S on a number of occasions. Real world performance not much in it. Round a track even less. The boxster 2.5/2.7 - granted, that is disappointing for a sports car.
I would agree that the big numbers of Boxsters out there effect the price. Also, the sub-£20k bracket falls nicely in the ballpark of the buyer who has a daily drive and is looking for something exciting and different. TVR fits that brief far better than most.
TGJR said:
SLOWER said:
also a Boxster S is painfully slow when compared to a Griff500 or a proper Porsche.
Incorrect. I've had a Griff 500, 911 and driven a Boxster S on a number of occasions. Real world performance not much in it. Round a track even less. The boxster 2.5/2.7 - granted, that is disappointing for a sports car.
I would agree that the big numbers of Boxsters out there effect the price. Also, the sub-£20k bracket falls nicely in the ballpark of the buyer who has a daily drive and is looking for something exciting and different. TVR fits that brief far better than most.
having owned a Griff 500, GT3 and driven a Boxster S I would disagree.
SLOWER said:
TGJR said:
SLOWER said:
also a Boxster S is painfully slow when compared to a Griff500 or a proper Porsche.
Incorrect. I've had a Griff 500, 911 and driven a Boxster S on a number of occasions. Real world performance not much in it. Round a track even less. The boxster 2.5/2.7 - granted, that is disappointing for a sports car.
I would agree that the big numbers of Boxsters out there effect the price. Also, the sub-£20k bracket falls nicely in the ballpark of the buyer who has a daily drive and is looking for something exciting and different. TVR fits that brief far better than most.
having owned a Griff 500, GT3 and driven a Boxster S I would disagree.
Edited by Al 450 on Saturday 19th January 00:30
SLOWER said:
TGJR said:
SLOWER said:
also a Boxster S is painfully slow when compared to a Griff500 or a proper Porsche.
Incorrect. I've had a Griff 500, 911 and driven a Boxster S on a number of occasions. Real world performance not much in it. Round a track even less. The boxster 2.5/2.7 - granted, that is disappointing for a sports car.
I would agree that the big numbers of Boxsters out there effect the price. Also, the sub-£20k bracket falls nicely in the ballpark of the buyer who has a daily drive and is looking for something exciting and different. TVR fits that brief far better than most.
having owned a Griff 500, GT3 and driven a Boxster S I would disagree.
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