What was done to the TVR 4.3 engines.
What was done to the TVR 4.3 engines.
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TVRleigh_BBWR

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6,553 posts

243 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2007
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Did they start out as 4.0 or was there a LR 4.3 engine.
I know the 4.6 is the same as 4.0 with a longer crank, and different pistons.
Also just out of interest what was done to make them 5.0

Thanks
Leigh

Hoover.

5,993 posts

272 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2007
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I but know nothing.... but remember someone blithering on about cosworth engineered something or other.... probably myth.

cloggy

4,959 posts

239 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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I don't know what they did but it was a standard choice of engine when I ordered my Chim late 1993 for delivery in March 1994.

griffter

4,143 posts

285 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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As far as I know:

The precat (Griff) 4.0 and 4.3 engines are based on a LR 3.9 block.
The serpentine engines (Chim 4.0, Griff and Chim 5.0 [& 4.5?]) are based on a 4.0 block.

I don't know about pre-serp catalysed (early Chim 4.0) engines - 3.9 is my guess.

The 5.0 is stroked and bored. The 4.3 is a shorter stroke than the 5.0. It's hardly worth having new crankshafts made for a 100cc increase, so the 4.0 precats must be bored 3.9s. The 4.3 is probably a stroked as well as bored 3.9? More than that I don't know - someone else will though.

pwd95

8,459 posts

268 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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My understanding is that the 3.9 & the 4.0 Ladrover/Range Rover is just a paper exercise, i.e they both have 3948cc. There's a huge variety of configurations over the years they just kept making improvements especially to the block, crossbolting etc.

JR

14,332 posts

288 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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pwd95 said:
My understanding is that the 3.9 & the 4.0 Ladrover/Range Rover is just a paper exercise, i.e they both have 3948cc. There's a huge variety of configurations over the years they just kept making improvements especially to the block, crossbolting etc.
It's much more than that. Remember that TVR led the field in RV8 development from the mid eighties and the larger cc engines were driven by TVR; the LR versions came along later. There are dozens of basic configurations and hundreds of different detailed specs for TVR engines alone. Ten to twenty years later others have done further developments.

Why would you want to know?

rev-erend

21,623 posts

314 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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I think the 4.3 TVR engine was based on the 3.9 engine
with a larger bore .. the press at the time said cosworth pistons although I doubt many had those, std crank, bigger valves and some inlet work, large free flow air filter with a very free flow exhaust .. hence the loverly noise.

Quoted power was 280 bhp and about the same torque if I remember.

Hoover.

5,993 posts

272 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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rev-erend said:
I think the 4.3 TVR engine was based on the 3.9 engine
with a larger bore .. the press at the time said cosworth pistons although I doubt many had those, std crank, bigger valves and some inlet work, large free flow air filter with a very free flow exhaust .. hence the loverly noise.

Quoted power was 280 bhp and about the same torque if I remember.
Interesting that..... as someone recently mentioned to me that all the 4.3's he had looked at seem to have the same size valves as the so called "BV's" .....

oh and just remebered 4.3's were ported as well (what vere that means.... so complete numpty on engine specs/terminolgoy)

rev-erend

21,623 posts

314 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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Hoover. said:
rev-erend said:
I think the 4.3 TVR engine was based on the 3.9 engine
with a larger bore .. the press at the time said cosworth pistons although I doubt many had those, std crank, bigger valves and some inlet work, large free flow air filter with a very free flow exhaust .. hence the loverly noise.

Quoted power was 280 bhp and about the same torque if I remember.
Interesting that..... as someone recently mentioned to me that all the 4.3's he had looked at seem to have the same size valves as the so called "BV's" .....

oh and just remebered 4.3's were ported as well (what vere that means.... so complete numpty on engine specs/terminolgoy)
I would have thought there were ported to match the bigger valves and match to the ported inlet manifold..

350Matt

3,910 posts

309 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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Fairly sure that the bore is the std 94.0 used on all 4.0ltrs and the crank is longer stroke of 86mm.
The 4.3's are all non-serpentine tho'
I know mine's been ported on the exhausts ( as I've had the manifolds off) so its more than likely to have have something done on the inlets as well.

Its the std throttle and trumpets tho'

I'll let you know when I pull it apart next year

Matt

900T-R

20,406 posts

287 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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4.3 = 94.0 x 77.0 mm (4280 cc) according to the Bible and any other source I have on hand.

The only engines that I heard of having Cossie pistons are the 4.5 BV

Although I've seen non-BV 430's that actually had the big valves, they normally have std Vitesse valves (40/35 mm) with waisted stems - mine did, at least.

Heads are massively ported (in fact, arguably too much so - lower air velocities leading to fuel 'drop out' at lower rpm/throttle openings), intake manifold port matched.

Std cam is '214', although '224' and '234' have been known to turn up inside these, too (in the last case, you'd know about it by the idling quality, though wink ).

IIRC some would have O-ringed heads and metal head gaskets.

All in all a bit more elaborate an RV developement than the later 4.5s and most of the time rather closer to TVRs power and torque claims (280bhp/310lb.ft).

Pupp

12,978 posts

302 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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By 'Cosworth' pistons, I assume we're talking forged units produced on the ex-Hepolite tooling (with attendant slap due to the greater clearances needed)? Anyone know how the piston weights of these compared with 'stock'?

TVRleigh_BBWR

Original Poster:

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243 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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900T-R said:
4.3 = 94.0 x 77.0 mm (4280 cc) according to the Bible and any other source I have on hand.
Thank you 900T-R, do you know what the 4.0 is. The reason I ask as I need a 4.0 and want to know if I can down grade a 4.3

Thanks
Leigh

900T-R

20,406 posts

287 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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94 x 71 mm IIRC.

Adrian@

4,632 posts

312 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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JR said:
It's much more than that. Remember that TVR led the field in RV8 development from the mid eighties and the larger cc engines were driven by TVR; the LR versions came along later. There are dozens of basic configurations and hundreds of different detailed specs for TVR engines alone. Ten to twenty years later others have done further developments.
TRUE...At that time, if you look at the evolution of the LR you will see TVR were there just before LR every time.....at that time there was TVR Power (NCK, Grahame Nash Motorsport, John Eales,(then JE engeering of old) Chesman Engineering, Fardon engineering, and many more adding to the TVR used and abused list.
Adrian@

TVRleigh_BBWR

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Wednesday 24th October 2007
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900T-R said:
94 x 71 mm IIRC.
Lol sorry is that bore x Stroke or stoke x bore

900T-R

20,406 posts

287 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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Bore x stroke. So you're basically looking at a shorter stroke crankshaft, different con rods and/or pistons (compression height).

I might know someone who'd take the 77 mm crank off you're hands if it's salvageable. smile

TVRleigh_BBWR

Original Poster:

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Wednesday 24th October 2007
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Thank you.
I'll let you know, If I get the engine. depends on what it goes for on eBay.
Bit pointless though unless I can make it into a 4.0
May keep it though to convert it back.

I'll let your know
Leigh

JR

14,332 posts

288 months

Wednesday 24th October 2007
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900T-R said:
The only engines that I heard of having Cossie pistons are the 4.5 BV.
I think that some of the 390SE engines are quite special.

TVRleigh_BBWR

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Wednesday 24th October 2007
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The Early 400SE Engines had cosworth piston in also. and pos the late ones, but only 100% on the early ones.