Not ageing well
Discussion
Is is just me, or do the current crop of TVR seem to date in the looks department all too soon.
I think the previous Tuscan, Griffith & Cerbera are works of art & still look amazing on the road today, however, the Sagaris & Tuscan2 are already, IMO, starting to look a little odd.
When the Sag was introduced I loved the way it looks, but now, nearly 2 years later, its just ........... how do you explain, way too fussy.
I think the previous Tuscan, Griffith & Cerbera are works of art & still look amazing on the road today, however, the Sagaris & Tuscan2 are already, IMO, starting to look a little odd.
When the Sag was introduced I loved the way it looks, but now, nearly 2 years later, its just ........... how do you explain, way too fussy.
hobo said:
Is is just me, or do the current crop of TVR seem to date in the looks department all too soon.
Compared to what ?
Whilst my 10 year old Cerb's looking a tad old, due to the "mini " headlights, the 2000 Tuscans look as space aged as anything out there IMO.
The Griff & Chim look old aswell, but it hasn't stopped Marcos & Wiseman bringing out similar looking cars (14 years later)
No.....for someone operating out of a large shed in Blackpool, I think they've done pretty well
Edited by RUSSELLM on Thursday 21st September 10:24
hobo said:
I think the previous Tuscan, Griffith & Cerbera are works of art & still look amazing on the road today, however, the Sagaris & Tuscan2 are already, IMO, starting to look a little odd.
When the Sag was introduced I loved the way it looks, but now, nearly 2 years later, its just ........... how do you explain, way too fussy.
When the Sag was introduced I loved the way it looks, but now, nearly 2 years later, its just ........... how do you explain, way too fussy.
I never thought any TVR could replace the classic looks of the Griff........and I never thought that dedicated Griff owners would give up their beauties to buy the Tuscan 2 which was considered as the 'Griff replacement'
However the Tuscan 2 is a lovely looking TVR and I know of many Griff owners that have sold and bought T2's
The Sagaris...well...you either like the styling or you don't.
Only thing I can confirm is that, after 18 months of ownership, the general public are still 'wowing' thier appreciation all over it wherever we go and wherever it's parked.
I thought our Cerbera must have been the most photographed car on the planet
but it doesn't even compare to the Sagaris. YP
Edited by yellow peril on Thursday 21st September 09:03
I seem to remember a lot of people here thought the Sagaris 'too fussy' when it came out, and I'm pretty sure you were one of them Hobo! Another bunch thought it was too 'max power' or 'halfords'. My personal favourite was 'make it smoother and I'll buy one'!.
I actually think the Sagaris's initial ablilty to shock has mellowed (to TVRistas, the public still freak) and it's fundamental underlying handsomeness is starting to come to the fore now (thanks to the inner t350!). I bet quite a few inital 'anti's actually quite like it now. Amazingly the geriatric seem to love it. Never quite worked that one out.
But there's no doubt that the utter simplicity of the Griffith was not front of mind when they designed the Sagaris and time will tell whether it will age as well. Chances are it won't but sometimes outrageous designs do age better than you ever thought possible (Countach?).
Surely though the Tuscan 2 is simplifyied compared with the Tuscan 1? Don't misunderstand me I think they are both gorgeous to look at and just possibly prefer the Tuscan 1 to look at (if not to drive).
Either way the current TVRs reinforce my belief that the little shed in blackpool are still putting designs and ideas on the road to shame the likes of Porsche and (sadly these days) Ferrari and even Lamborghini. Long may it continue.
I actually think the Sagaris's initial ablilty to shock has mellowed (to TVRistas, the public still freak) and it's fundamental underlying handsomeness is starting to come to the fore now (thanks to the inner t350!). I bet quite a few inital 'anti's actually quite like it now. Amazingly the geriatric seem to love it. Never quite worked that one out.
But there's no doubt that the utter simplicity of the Griffith was not front of mind when they designed the Sagaris and time will tell whether it will age as well. Chances are it won't but sometimes outrageous designs do age better than you ever thought possible (Countach?).
Surely though the Tuscan 2 is simplifyied compared with the Tuscan 1? Don't misunderstand me I think they are both gorgeous to look at and just possibly prefer the Tuscan 1 to look at (if not to drive).
Either way the current TVRs reinforce my belief that the little shed in blackpool are still putting designs and ideas on the road to shame the likes of Porsche and (sadly these days) Ferrari and even Lamborghini. Long may it continue.
I reckon the S/Chim/Cerbs (with single headlights) have always seemed a little classic (dated is too strong) the "two cylinders down each side of the bonnet with a light in front" look is classic MG. Not a bad thing, just the link to the past does it. The shape of the Griff is timeless as it doesn't have anything similar, as mentioned the parts-bin extras do catch your eye, but as a shape you can't beat it.
IMO The pre-TVR switch-gear cars are starting to look a little dated on the dash, but look back to the leather-work and they still look great compared to many interiors of the newest cars.
IMO The pre-TVR switch-gear cars are starting to look a little dated on the dash, but look back to the leather-work and they still look great compared to many interiors of the newest cars.
hobo said:
Is is just me, or do the current crop of TVR seem to date in the looks department all too soon.
I think the previous Tuscan, Griffith & Cerbera are works of art & still look amazing on the road today, however, the Sagaris & Tuscan2 are already, IMO, starting to look a little odd.
When the Sag was introduced I loved the way it looks, but now, nearly 2 years later, its just ........... how do you explain, way too fussy.
I think the previous Tuscan, Griffith & Cerbera are works of art & still look amazing on the road today, however, the Sagaris & Tuscan2 are already, IMO, starting to look a little odd.
When the Sag was introduced I loved the way it looks, but now, nearly 2 years later, its just ........... how do you explain, way too fussy.
Sorry mate, but simply put, thats cobblers
yellow peril said:
hobo said:
I think the previous Tuscan, Griffith & Cerbera are works of art & still look amazing on the road today, however, the Sagaris & Tuscan2 are already, IMO, starting to look a little odd.
When the Sag was introduced I loved the way it looks, but now, nearly 2 years later, its just ........... how do you explain, way too fussy.
When the Sag was introduced I loved the way it looks, but now, nearly 2 years later, its just ........... how do you explain, way too fussy.
I never thought any TVR could replace the classic looks of the Griff........and I never thought that dedicated Griff owners would give up their beauties to buy the Tuscan 2 which was considered as the 'Griff replacement'
However the Tuscan 2 is a lovely looking TVR and I know of many Griff owners that have sold and bought T2's
The Sagaris...well...you either like the styling or you don't.
Only thing I can confirm is that, after 18 months of ownership, the general public are still 'wowing' thier appreciation all over it wherever we go and wherever it's parked.
I thought our Cerbera must have been the most photographed car on the planet
but it doesn't even compare to the Sagaris. YP
Edited by yellow peril on Thursday 21st September 09:03
I have had 5 TVR's now, and I must admit the best looking one I have had is the Cerbera. I never really looked at them in the past, and I only really bought mine as I now have a son, and I want to be able to use a TVR and still take the familly with me. Now, it might be the colour, but the curves of the Cerb with 18 inch wheels and twin headlight conversion and I say its the best looking one on the exterior...
Hobo, you must admit your old T350 was better looking than the Boxster right???
Mr F
Oh definately. The T350 was/is in a totally different league to the boxster both in looks & drive. Saying that though I've never really liked the boxster (but I didn't get it for me).
Still say though that the Sag especially is ageing badly. Yes on first glance its an eye catcher, dig a little deeper though & alls not well.
Just my opinion, but in a few years I suspect they'll be bargain basement along with the T350's. Sadly.
Still say though that the Sag especially is ageing badly. Yes on first glance its an eye catcher, dig a little deeper though & alls not well.
Just my opinion, but in a few years I suspect they'll be bargain basement along with the T350's. Sadly.
hobo said:
Oh definately. The T350 was/is in a totally different league to the boxster both in looks & drive. Saying that though I've never really liked the boxster (but I didn't get it for me).
Still say though that the Sag especially is ageing badly. Yes on first glance its an eye catcher, dig a little deeper though & alls not well.
Just my opinion, but in a few years I suspect they'll be bargain basement along with the T350's. Sadly.
Still say though that the Sag especially is ageing badly. Yes on first glance its an eye catcher, dig a little deeper though & alls not well.
Just my opinion, but in a few years I suspect they'll be bargain basement along with the T350's. Sadly.
I wouldn't put the 350 and Sagaris in the same category at all - even if they are similar under the skin!
To my eye the 350 is a very clean design, very bold and striking yet unfussy with clean lines - even the Targa panels blend nicely into the lines of the car. For this reason I think it will age very well. The Sag is a much fussier design, to my eye there are too many styling 'features' some or all of which will might age quickly.
The plus for all of us here, however, is that no TVR is common, and their designs are generally not copied by other manufacturers (wonder why ;-) ) - it always helps a design to stay fresh if you just don't see it that often!!
Just my 2p of course...
Cheers,
Jerry
Don't think this just applies to the newer Tiv's. With the pace of development today, all new designs quickly become dated. Cars don't reach classic status until they look "old". Doesn't make them any less desirable though, as many Griff owners,including myself, will verify.
In 10 years time the Sag will have the same appeal as Griffs and Chims have today.And Griffs and Chims will be EVEN MORE desirable.
All IMHO of course.
In 10 years time the Sag will have the same appeal as Griffs and Chims have today.And Griffs and Chims will be EVEN MORE desirable.
All IMHO of course.
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