TVR's to be build abroad?
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Read yesterday in the Sunday Times an article saying where cars are made. It was focussing on the new 'James Bond' Aston being mainly German, even though it's assembedled in the UK.
The worrying bit was that it said in passing that even TVRs are going to be build abroad. Now I don't know how much truth there is in this, but if it's true, TVR becomes a Russian owned company building cars in x, so where's the link to it being British gone?
The worrying bit was that it said in passing that even TVRs are going to be build abroad. Now I don't know how much truth there is in this, but if it's true, TVR becomes a Russian owned company building cars in x, so where's the link to it being British gone?
I read that article, not particularly good IMHO. Stated that the crankshafts (plural), for the Aston were made in abroad, can't remember where. Thing is how many car engines do we know of with multiple crankshafts????
Got the impression that the article was written to make good news not factual interpretations of what is going on? but hey that's journalism.
J
97octane said:But is the TVRCC really better informed? The TVRCC article appears to be based on an earlier Blackpool Newspaper piece. But it can be spun both ways....
The Times better informed than TVRCC? I doubt it.
www.blackpooltoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=62&ArticleID=1515767
Hilti said:None but as you mention it but there was the famous "Deltic" engine which developed for marine use and made famous in the "Deltic" diesel locomotive of the 50's .
Thing is how many car engines do we know of with multiple crankshafts????
This has three crankshafts which requires some thinking about! Great animation here www.wis.co.uk/justin/deltic-engine.html
Rich...
>> Edited by richb on Monday 22 May 12:51
Did anyone else see Top Gear last night when they were talking about the Noble and Richard Hammond commented saying 'British built - OF COURSE' - it was my understanding that Nobles are BUILT in South Africa. They might be Britsh designed etc etc but that sort of blinkered comment or selective approach smacks of someone with a bit of an agenda when he regularly lays into TVR at any and every opportunity, with the concomitant negative image that creates and the knock on effect on sales, and when you can only guess at what he would be saying if TVR's were being made outside the UK. Image and perception matters. This isn't a dig at Noble or anything like it, more a comment on what seems to be a very partial approach. Of course i might be wrong in which case ignore me! 
Yep, I'd buy that. richb said:
Thing is how many car engines do we know of with multiple crankshafts????
This has three crankshafts which requires some thinking about! Great animation here www.wis.co.uk/justin/deltic-engine.html
Rich..
There have been truck engines with two crankshafts...the Foden FD6 and FD12, also the Rolls Royce K60 engine is a twin crankshaft variation on the Deltic theme.
Regards
Iain
chassis 33 said:Really interesting - I've learnt something new today...
Thing is how many car engines do we know of with multiple crankshafts????
This has three crankshafts which requires some thinking about! Great animation here www.wis.co.uk/justin/deltic-engine.html Rich..
Regards
Iain
I knew about the Deltic because as a lad I was into trains and the Deltic was the big express back in the 60's. I didn't realise they had car applications to...
>> Edited by richb on Monday 22 May 13:39
tvrgaas said:That article is based on the opinion of one bloke who admits he knows no facts and has no information on which to base his opinion!
But it can be spun both ways....
www.blackpooltoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=62&ArticleID=1515767
richb said:
Really interesting - I've learnt something new today...
I knew about the Deltic because as a lad I was into trains and the Deltic was the big express back in the 60's. I didn't realise they had car applications to...
At 8ton for the 9cylinder and something like 15ton for the 18cylinder loco engines the Deltics have never been in a car
The foden engines were parrellel counter rotating cranks couplled to the flywheel via a gearbox of sorts, when Foden went belly up and was subsequently bought out the engine ceased to be used in trucks. They were 2stroke diesel enignes and lots were subsequently modified to be marine APU engines on minesweepers and the like, which is where the vast majority of Deltics are now used, being mostly an aluminium and stainless steel engine the Deltics have a very low magnetic signature.
The K60 powers the FV430 series of personal carrier, so again not really a car application.
Regards
Iain
We seem to have gone off on a slight tangent here, but what about the V8 engines being made out of the Yamaha bike engines? Don't they have two cranks?
Anyway back to the original articles I think when the author was saying the cranks are made abroad, I think he meant the cranks for all of the Aston production, not specifically referring to the crank in the actual car in the picture.
Anyway back to the original articles I think when the author was saying the cranks are made abroad, I think he meant the cranks for all of the Aston production, not specifically referring to the crank in the actual car in the picture.
starmist said:
We seem to have gone off on a slight tangent here, but what about the V8 engines being made out of the Yamaha bike engines? Don't they have two cranks?
Anyway back to the original articles I think when the author was saying the cranks are made abroad, I think he meant the cranks for all of the Aston production, not specifically referring to the crank in the actual car in the picture.
A Ford insider tells me that all Aston engines are built in Cologne.
Only final car assembly is carried out in the UK
starmist said:Well the original was "TVRs to be made abroad" which is a non-discussion because no one knows what's in Smolenski's mind but this stuff about cranks is interesting... So, come on someone, was the BRM H16 a double crank application?
We seem to have gone off on a slight tangent here, but what about the V8 engines being made out of the Yamaha bike engines? Don't they have two cranks?
Anyway back to the original...
p.s. I guess the 16 ton Deltics were never in cars
Rich...richb said:Yes.
Well the original was "TVRs to be made abroad" which is a non-discussion because no one knows what's in Smolenski's mind but this stuff about cranks is interesting... So, come on someone, was the BRM H16 a double crank application?
Might I suggest a dedicated thread for posts like this one?
>> Edited by V8 Archie on Monday 22 May 19:17
V8 Archie said:
Might I suggest a dedicated thread for posts like this one?
About the engine? We could use www.pistonheads.com/gassing/forum.asp?f=66&h=0
Or if you mean the orginal post about TVR going abroad, we could do with a new forum called Wild Unfounded Speculation... there again, I reckon that's the General TVR thread.
Fascinating stuff about that diesel, mind - a true bit of British engineering. Seems they had to make one crank rotate the wrong way to stop the pistons getting out of phase... I wonder who came up with that? Inspired!
Edited to add: Wooo, still in use in the Rodney - Hunt class minehunters use them (I can feel a sad eveing of research coming on!
>> Edited by wedgie on Monday 22 May 20:35
wedgie said:That's a forum. We've both added posts to this thread. But you're probably right about it being the proper spot.
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/forum.asp?f=66&h=0
wedie said:
Or if you mean the orginal post about TVR going abroad, we could do with a new forum called Wild Unfounded Speculation... there again, I reckon that's the General TVR thread.
Personally I think the "Pie and Piston" is more appropriate.wedgie said:Agreed.
Fascinating stuff about that diesel, mind - a true bit of British engineering. Seems they had to make one crank rotate the wrong way to stop the pistons getting out of phase... I wonder who came up with that? Inspired!
>> Edited by V8 Archie on Monday 22 May 20:36
wedgie said:Not getting out of phase, they'd be out of phase from the start, but it's a good bit of thinking. I'm more intrigued by the idea of having both pistons travelling in the same direction in one cylinder in every piston as a way of smoothing out the issue especially as it starts when one cylinder is on the upstroke.
... stop the pistons getting out of phase... Inspired!
I guess that ignition startsat this point which to an untutored mind suggests two things. One; the force cannot be enough to push the piston back the wrong way and two; that there may be a forced compression after ignition which must have an impact on power output.
Perhaps ignition is delayed a bit to avoid the first, but the second would still hold.
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