Was it a Poor Choice ?
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I have not long had my Tuscan and seem to be plagued with problems of leakages, electric faults,rattles etc.. To top it all my dealer cannot seem to get the TVR factory to send out the required spares necessary to amend the problems. On top of that it has now been announced that the could be major redundancies at the Blackpool Factory and a possibility that the factory is to move. I now have mixed feeling about the companies after sales. Have I bought a car from a manufacturer that will go like the Rover Group and eventually end up practically worthless or is it common in the motor trade?
Any comments would be appreciated.
Any comments would be appreciated.
My understanding of the Tuscan 2 is that there are sometimes a few teething problems but they are generally dealt with by the dealer. Following which they're decent cars. Rumours of TVR going belly up are highly exaggerated in my view. I'd persevere with it for, say, 6 months and then decide whether it was a good purchase.
bosscerbera said:
There's a big difference between making redundancies and going belly up.
Sure, but there's not much difference between making two cars a week and none.
Blimey, is that what they're down to? That is disconcerting. Let's all hope that Nikolai is a friend of Abramovich!
srebbe64 said:
There's a big difference between making redundancies and going belly up.
Sure, but there's not much difference between making two cars a week and none.
Blimey, is that what they're down to? That is disconcerting. Let's all hope that Nikolai is a friend of Abramovich!
The end is nigh ?
>> Edited by BossCerbera on Friday 14th April 12:49
Al 450 said:
as per MGR
Indeed, but I think they're is a difference. The Rover brand became extremely tainted in the latter years. The TVR brand remains very strong, but the rumours of financial problems are its biggest problem. As such, it's conceivable that, unlike Rover, a major car producer could rescue the marque. Time will tell.
srebbe64 said:
The problem is, the rumours of impending doom put off prospective clients, so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
This is the amazing thing about TVR: the proportion of people wearing rose-tinted specs (that might as well be beer goggles) who are prepared to dismiss the facts and logical consequences as 'rumours'! Everybody singing happy songs about TVR doesn't turn management primates into Lee Iacocca. "Naysayers" haven't destroyed TVR's market, TVR has!
The current regime has well and truly f
ked TVR and lots of right-minded people have seen it coming - only to be shouted down by beer-goggled optimists. FFS, I worked there briefly and I am telling you: the truth is weirder than fiction in Bristol Avenue. It can only end in tears - and no it won't be a 'self-fulfilling prophecy'. I feel sorry for the workers and other stakeholders that have been let down by the worst management I have ever seen in my life. Moleskins' choice of manager ought to haunt him IMHO. Strutting around using Nik's Murcielago and planes like he's Aristotle Onassis, nepotism of the worst kind ...while the business disintegrates around his feet.
Nik's money and enthusiasm could have created an exciting future. The tragedy is it needn't have gone the way it has.
>> Edited by BossCerbera on Friday 14th April 12:47
said:
The problem is, the rumours of impending doom put off prospective clients, so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
This is the amazing thing about TVR: the proportion of people wearing rose-tinted specs (that might as well be beer goggles) who are prepared to dismiss the facts and logical consequences as 'rumours'! Everybody singing happy songs about TVR doesn't turn management primates into Lee Iacocca. "Naysayers" haven't destroyed TVR's market, TVR has!
The current regime has well and truly f
I feel sorry for the workers and other stakeholders that have been let down by the worst management I have ever seen in my life. Moleskins' choice of manager ought to haunt him. Strutting around using Nik's Murcielago and planes like he's Aristotle Onassis, nepotism of the worst kind ...while the business disintegrates around his feet.
Nik's money and enthusiasm could have created an exciting future. The tragedy is it needn't have gone the way it has.
Blimey...
Dave.
>> Edited by sam gamgee on Friday 14th April 00:10
Al 450 said:
as per MGR
Really?
MGR's products - though worthy and as close to silk-purse-from-sows-ear as the world has ever seen - simply fell behind their peers through a lack of investment. This attracted ridicule. Hardly surprising, the ancient relics in the end looked like pigs in frocks. The downward trajectory was set by MGR long before the Phoenix gang got involved. They just ended up being the ones holding it when the music stopped. There is no doubt that the Phoenix lot prolonged MGR's life.
There are parallels with TVR but for a few glorious months it looked like Nik's fortune could reverse a decline that had set it in for a variety of reasons some years before he arrived. The difference between MGR and TVR is that, despite [allegedly] having more money than Croesus, TVR's management team accelerated its decline at considerable cost its shareholder.
BossCerbera said:
as per MGR
Really?
MGR's products - though worthy and as close to silk-purse-from-sows-ear as the world has ever seen - simply fell behind their peers through a lack of investment. This attracted ridicule. Hardly surprising, the ancient relics in the end looked like pigs in frocks. The downward trajectory was set by MGR long before the Phoenix gang got involved. They just ended up being the ones holding it when the music stopped. There is no doubt that the Phoenix lot prolonged MGR's life.
There are parallels with TVR but for a few glorious months it looked like Nik's fortune could reverse a decline that had set it in for a variety of reasons some years before he arrived. The difference between MGR and TVR is that, despite [allegedly] having more money than Croesus, TVR's management team accelerated its decline at considerable cost its shareholder.
I meant as a self fulfilling prophecy, uncertainty breeds depreciation and lower demand resulting in an irreversible downward spiral in fortune.
The real reasons behind the decline of MGR are complex, time consuming to explain and not fully understood by the media or the general public but as a former MGR engineer I am well aware that the processes and engineering specifications were on a par with any other comparable company. However this is a thread about TVR so I won't be going on about it for too long.
The uncertainty thing though does draw parallels between the two companies for three main reasons, depreciation, warranty concerns and parts supply.
So is the company screwed or what?
Or, more reasonably, what do you guys think are the chances of TVR being around in 2 years' time?
I give it 80%, just because I am, by (de)fault, optimistic and ignorant of these matters and guessing wildly.
>> Edited by Syko on Friday 14th April 02:08
Or, more reasonably, what do you guys think are the chances of TVR being around in 2 years' time?
I give it 80%, just because I am, by (de)fault, optimistic and ignorant of these matters and guessing wildly.
>> Edited by Syko on Friday 14th April 02:08
BossCerbera said:
as per MGR
Really?
There is no doubt that the Phoenix lot prolonged MGR's life.
Without question. Astonishing how long it did last.
There are parallels with TVR but for a few glorious months it looked like Nik's fortune could reverse a decline that had set it in for a variety of reasons some years before he arrived. The difference between MGR and TVR is that, despite [allegedly] having more money than Croesus, TVR's management team accelerated its decline at considerable cost its shareholder.
Not being at all close to the company I can't speak knowledgably about the management team. However, with the combination of a reasonably strong brand and a much needed cash injection the future should have been/ should be very bright. With this kind of business intellectual property is key, and from reading these threads it seems TVR has haemorrhaged that over the last few years.
whatever happens with current management/ownership..
I'm sure it will survive, as there was at least 2 other interested (posiibly better) parties before NS whisked it out from under their noses, ie Pw bit his hand off, as due diligence was 'probably' a bit skimpy with NS
It's a strong brand.
The Product are good, just uncertainty other finance/qulaity, which is easier to address than having completely the wrong product..
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I'm sure it will survive, as there was at least 2 other interested (posiibly better) parties before NS whisked it out from under their noses, ie Pw bit his hand off, as due diligence was 'probably' a bit skimpy with NS
It's a strong brand.
The Product are good, just uncertainty other finance/qulaity, which is easier to address than having completely the wrong product..
B
bosscerbera said:Let's hope you are wrong with that statement. If you are right, I hope you have some strong evidence to back it up as promoting rumours can have dramatic consequences not just from a legal point of view.
There's a big difference between making redundancies and going belly up.
Sure, but there's not much difference between making two cars a week and none.
Now I don't know a lot of people - but I do know of at least two people who currently have new TVRs in build. Now that don't sound like no cars to me.
Everyone has quiet weeks in sales. I worked for a house builder that sold thousands of houses a year - we still had weeks where no sales were made across the country and millions of pounds worth of unsold stock properties sitting empty. But the company is still going.
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