They've been keeping this a bit quiet
They've been keeping this a bit quiet
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B17NNS

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18,506 posts

276 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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Just popped into the Porcshe forum - apparently they are having a few problems too.

vesuvius996 said:
If cars are warrantied by Porsche then new engine is not an issue cost wise - if the car is older and out of warranty then as you correctly state eventually a new engine will be a reaonable proportion of the car's value, although even if they drop to £20k, and a replacement engine secondhand is £4k ish then that's only 20% - so not write off required.

I must confess that before I looked into 996s in detail I was not aware of supposed engine poroblems. I guess it means that Porsche do well out of me to the tune of £15 a week for the warranty - ah well - but to be honest everyone I SPEAK to (not billy bul5hitters on 993 dominated websites) has had bulletproof engines on their 996s, save where a car has been tracked or serviced badly by so called "911 specialists....."

touchingcloth

11,706 posts

268 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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Yep they have

I had a small moment of madness and was looking at maybe getting a 911. Loved the look of the 993 but not sure I could live with the interior, 996's seemed good value too but then started hearing about the problems a lot of them have. Quick google for "Porsche RMS" (Rear Main Seal) will show that it is not an insignificant thing. All the advice just says make sure you have an official Porsche warranty, well approved used warranty now here with TVR's also so levels the playing field somewhat. Also appears that there is not really a firm fix either so just because it has been done does not mean it will not happen again soon.

As you say, it is kept quite low key, certainly not a topic I was aware of until I did a bit of lurking on the Porker forums. Certainly I am sure it's a problem that a lot of "lifestyle" porsche buyers are not aware of, they just believe the bulletproof reports.

morebeanz

3,283 posts

265 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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Anyone know if the 997 suffers from the same problem?

B17NNS

Original Poster:

18,506 posts

276 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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morebeanz said:
Anyone know if the 997 suffers from the same problem?


who cares, start the rumour

NJW 77

17,065 posts

267 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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B17NNS said:
morebeanz said:
Anyone know if the 997 suffers from the same problem?


who cares, start the rumour


rev-erend

21,619 posts

313 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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BWM also had a big problem on the M3 engine - can't remember if it was small end or big eng bearings..

Either way - Porsche & BMW in particular seem very profession
in their approach to fixing the problem - with proper customer recalls.

Sadly - I've never heard of TVR doing this

aaandy

764 posts

281 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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It does make interesting reading, this is something which I just read on the Porsche Club of America site.....

http://treffen.pca.org/tech/tech_qa_question.asp?id=

But as you say, the only reason it is kept quiet is probably because they are very efficient and fixing them for customer. But if you were out of warranty I would imagine that this kind of work on a new(ish) 911 would not be cheap.

DJC

23,563 posts

265 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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No they havent. It is relatively well known in the Porsche and 911 world, or at least a 10 minutes browse in any Porsche or 911 forum will soon bring you across the issue.
What they dont do is hold a massive bitching session about it...they usually reserve that for the PCCB !

tobeee

1,436 posts

297 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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Can someone show me what the 993, 996 and 997 are. I've always just referred to them as 911's.

CatherineJ

9,586 posts

272 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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If the article is referring to the RMS issue then yes the 997 is affected. The RMS issue affects the 996,997,986 and 987. The only exception is the Turbo or cars badged GT? I am not sure what the situation is with the Cayman.

If you have a trawl through the PCGB forum there are pictures of the engines lined up behind a dealership waiting to be be returned to Porsche. These have allegedly blown up (whatever that means).

BliarOut

72,863 posts

268 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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B17NNS said:
Just popped into the Porcshe forum - apparently they are having a few problems too.
Do TVR's have engine problems then?

chris watton

22,547 posts

289 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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BliarOut said:
B17NNS said:
Just popped into the Porcshe forum - apparently they are having a few problems too.
Do TVR's have engine problems then?


Yeah, apparently, it's those old V8 lumps that are plagued with probs!


rev-erend

21,619 posts

313 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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tobeee said:
Can someone show me what the 993, 996 and 997 are. I've always just referred to them as 911's.


They are model numbers for the 911 - because they all look the same whether they were made in 1967 or 2006 ..

I guess you have got to like them to be bothered to know that a 993 is different from a 996 - if not who cares

BliarOut

72,863 posts

268 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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Now now, let's have a big group hug. We're all PH'ers here, no need to mock. Chocolate finger anyone?

Any similarity between the afforementioned biscuit and the Speed Six engine is purely coincidental.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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Yeah but ask the owners of the early 996's how Porsche dealt with them

Thats the key point...

pete500

151 posts

273 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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993 was the last air-cooled version, with dry sump lubricating system. They dropped the dry sump lubrication on the following water-cooled version. High G's..... pt

madbadger

11,752 posts

273 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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Plotloss said:
Yeah but ask the owners of the early 996's how Porsche dealt with them

Thats the key point...


Er - How did Porsche deal with them?

T66ORA

3,474 posts

286 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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I bet they don`t get Ford Focus owners going on there forum saying the "engine is a dog" though

Plotloss

67,280 posts

299 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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madbadger said:
Plotloss said:
Yeah but ask the owners of the early 996's how Porsche dealt with them

Thats the key point...


Er - How did Porsche deal with them?


Chap upstairs who bought one got his car taken away to have all fault rectified - took a while as this was just at launch, like for like replacement whilst his was on holiday, constant updates etc etc.

Stark contrast to the 'well I think its 3 weeks at least, could be more, dunno, what do you expect for £40K' TVR handling...

Ballistic Banana

14,706 posts

296 months

Monday 16th January 2006
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BliarOut said:
Now now, let's have a big group hug. We're all PH'ers here, no need to mock. Chocolate finger anyone?

Any similarity between the afforementioned biscuit and the Speed Six engine is purely coincidental.


well played that man tactfully put sir