Euro Emissions Standards

Euro Emissions Standards

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Y8RSP

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226 posts

206 months

Sunday 30th October 2022
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So next year I am planning a road trip in the T350 to Austria - through Germany and France, stopping a few times en route... probably in places more on the rural side...

Question is, What I need to do regarding the European Emissions Standard sticker - definitely getting into any major German city will be off the cards without a green Euro-4 sticker, which I can easily find online, but there's also a lot of contrasting and confusing information regarding exactly which class the Tiv is likely to fall in to, for fairly obvious reasons!


Any help would be gladly received!

Cheers
SP

MustangGT

12,287 posts

287 months

Sunday 30th October 2022
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Can you look it up on the TFL website regarding the emissions zones?

bullittmcqueen

1,256 posts

98 months

Sunday 30th October 2022
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Y8RSP said:
So next year I am planning a road trip in the T350 to Austria - through Germany and France, stopping a few times en route... probably in places more on the rural side...

Question is, What I need to do regarding the European Emissions Standard sticker - definitely getting into any major German city will be off the cards without a green Euro-4 sticker, which I can easily find online, but there's also a lot of contrasting and confusing information regarding exactly which class the Tiv is likely to fall in to, for fairly obvious reasons!


Any help would be gladly received!

Cheers
SP
German here, so no definitive answer for Austria. Was just looking things up for sake of curiosity and this is way more complicated than i thought. It's not even consistent in single countries. Check this link for Austria, it's closest to what you're looking for, that i found:

https://www.umwelt-pickerl.at/en/

Not sure if there are any visitor/holiday tickets. And beware: tickets for violations seem to be massive: up to almost 1900 GBP !!

Edit: In Germany, most of the Autobahn should be safe for you but there are many restricted zones around cities. So you might need to plan your trip around them. If you risk it and they get you, you're in for 40 EUR but you're highly unlikely to get caught.




Edited by bullittmcqueen on Sunday 30th October 16:54


Edited by bullittmcqueen on Sunday 30th October 16:55

Y8RSP

Original Poster:

226 posts

206 months

Sunday 30th October 2022
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bullittmcqueen said:
German here, so no definitive answer for Austria. Was just looking things up for sake of curiosity and this is way more complicated than i thought. It's not even consistent in single countries. Check this link for Austria, it's closest to what you're looking for, that i found:

https://www.umwelt-pickerl.at/en/

Not sure if there are any visitor/holiday tickets. And beware: tickets for violations seem to be massive: up to almost 1900 GBP !!

Edit: In Germany, most of the Autobahn should be safe for you but there are many restricted zones around cities. So you might need to plan your trip around them. If you risk it and they get you, you're in for 40 EUR but you're highly unlikely to get caught.
Perfect, thanks for your help! I have some Austrian friends, so will see if they can find out any information locally.

I guess the problem is that even looking at the V5 document there is no information regarding 'Euro Status' and no data for any emissions etc.. So even applying for a Euro sticker it will probably just be rejected... I wonder whether i'd need to submit an MOT certificate with some sort of exhaust emissions data as a supplementary document?

As you correctly point out - there is no definitive information anywhere - and a lot of contradictory information, too!

andrew_r

177 posts

112 months

Sunday 30th October 2022
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I recently applied for German Green emissions sticker for my Chimaera 500 and received it a week later, I think it came to around €10 and I applied through the Berlin City administration rather than using one of the many website that charge quite a premium. I’m sure you’ll also by able to get one for your Tuscan too.

Andrew.

andrew_r

177 posts

112 months

Sunday 30th October 2022
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Y8RSP

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226 posts

206 months

Sunday 30th October 2022
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andrew_r said:
Absolutely spot on, thanks Andrew thumbup

Granturadriver

629 posts

268 months

Monday 31st October 2022
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Consider the route carefully to be protected from surprises.
smile

In Germany, there are so far only the environmental zones in many cities that you can drive with the green sticker. This is usually only checked at parked cars. There are no entrance controls.

In Belgium, in some cities, for example Antwerp, you have to register with your vehicle if you want to drive in the city (you can do this within 24 hours). Otherwise you will have to pay a fine.

In Austria, you need the so-called Pickerl to use the toll freeway, which you also have to stick in your windshield. Here there are controls on the highways and high penalties.

Jordie Barretts sock

6,018 posts

26 months

Monday 31st October 2022
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Surely they will have to actually catch you in the act?

Otherwise how will they trace you?

spitfire4v8

4,017 posts

188 months

Monday 31st October 2022
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Surely this question must come up all the time for the euro car tour companies .. have you thought of asking one of them ? there's a few which are run by tvr owners and surely likely to help, even if they charge a small fee for giving you the correct info that's worth it ?

Byker28i

68,015 posts

224 months

Monday 31st October 2022
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Granturadriver said:
Consider the route carefully to be protected from surprises.
smile

In Germany, there are so far only the environmental zones in many cities that you can drive with the green sticker. This is usually only checked at parked cars. There are no entrance controls.

In Belgium, in some cities, for example Antwerp, you have to register with your vehicle if you want to drive in the city (you can do this within 24 hours). Otherwise you will have to pay a fine.

In Austria, you need the so-called Pickerl to use the toll freeway, which you also have to stick in your windshield. Here there are controls on the highways and high penalties.
Our youngest has just moved to Antwerp so yes this was a surprise. You need your car registration document. My TVR Cerbera is classed as Euro 1 by them so not allowed in
https://lez.antwerpen.be/?Taal=EN

glow worm

6,170 posts

234 months

Monday 31st October 2022
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Byker28i said:
Our youngest has just moved to Antwerp so yes this was a surprise. You need your car registration document. My TVR Cerbera is classed as Euro 1 by them so not allowed in
https://lez.antwerpen.be/?Taal=EN
That's very interesting , I tried my Tuscan Vert, 1st registered 1st April 2006 and it passed amazingly as EURO 4 and is allowed to enter .... They appear to think all cars after Jan 05 would meet EURO 4 (so don't tell anyone smile )

bullittmcqueen

1,256 posts

98 months

Monday 31st October 2022
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Jordie Barretts sock said:
Surely they will have to actually catch you in the act?

Otherwise how will they trace you?
Some countries have section control enabled for speed limit surveillance for which they scan number plates. You can also assume that general large-scale automatic number plate scanning is in place in various countries. They probably won't care for now, but you never know.

As said, Germany should be pretty safe and it's highly unlikely that someone will go after you. If the car is cool, which i assume it is, you're friendly, say you didn't know and promise not to do it again, they'll probably just give you a warning and wish you a pleasant journey. Also fines are very low, you'll be charged about 40 EUR. Austria seems to be very different, very harsh rules, no discussion and no exceptions. But maybe that is only for Germans :-)

Jordie Barretts sock

6,018 posts

26 months

Monday 31st October 2022
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They can scan the plates all they like, it won't yield any information.

For speed it might that AB05 WJS was too quick between points. But ABO5 WJS won't show anything on any ANPR system anywhere in the world except the UK.

Byker28i

68,015 posts

224 months

Tuesday 1st November 2022
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glow worm said:
Byker28i said:
Our youngest has just moved to Antwerp so yes this was a surprise. You need your car registration document. My TVR Cerbera is classed as Euro 1 by them so not allowed in
https://lez.antwerpen.be/?Taal=EN
That's very interesting , I tried my Tuscan Vert, 1st registered 1st April 2006 and it passed amazingly as EURO 4 and is allowed to enter .... They appear to think all cars after Jan 05 would meet EURO 4 (so don't tell anyone smile )
Only until 2025, then I think they are going EV only

jev

386 posts

267 months

Tuesday 1st November 2022
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I had no problems getting a Euro 4 Crit'Air sticker for the Tamora. Took about a week and not expensive.

It is completely impenetrable to work out when & where in France they are needed and in many places the requirements are imposed on a daily basis. So worth getting if you are spending any time there.


HiAsAKite

2,416 posts

254 months

Thursday 3rd November 2022
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andrew_r said:
I recently applied for German Green emissions sticker for my Chimaera 500 and received it a week later, I think it came to around €10 and I applied through the Berlin City administration rather than using one of the many website that charge quite a premium. I’m sure you’ll also by able to get one for your Tuscan too.

Andrew.
Ive got the green unwelt for my S4 (09 plate euro 5) but how did you manage to get one for the chimaera? What year is it?


Edited by HiAsAKite on Friday 4th November 22:18

andrew_r

177 posts

112 months

Friday 4th November 2022
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Hi, it’s a 1998. I just applied for it, uploaded my V5, and the sticker came a week later. I can’t imagine there’s much difference in the emissions of any TVR to be honest.

Andrew

glow worm

6,170 posts

234 months

Friday 4th November 2022
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Based on my V5C , it would pass EURO 4 on Carbon Monoxide but fail on HC and NOx .

Y8RSP

Original Poster:

226 posts

206 months

Thursday 10th November 2022
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glow worm said:
Based on my V5C , it would pass EURO 4 on Carbon Monoxide but fail on HC and NOx .
... based on my V5 I don't think there's a cats in hell chance - as all of the emissions data is blank... wobble