Fire stick Safety Extinguisher Size?
Discussion
I notice the TVRCC are selling the new safety sticks which on paper seems to be a great idea.
I am thinking of purchasing one to supplement my own in car foam extinguisher following a series of marque fires. Although I'm changing my fuel hoses this year it does seem a good solution and may save losing the car.
Firstly has anyone experienced these in a real situation and are they effective?
I notice there are 3 flavours 25, 50, 100 seconds with no data on which would be suitable for a typical car fire we may encounter with PR again any recommendations?
I am thinking of purchasing one to supplement my own in car foam extinguisher following a series of marque fires. Although I'm changing my fuel hoses this year it does seem a good solution and may save losing the car.
Firstly has anyone experienced these in a real situation and are they effective?
I notice there are 3 flavours 25, 50, 100 seconds with no data on which would be suitable for a typical car fire we may encounter with PR again any recommendations?
hoofa said:
I would not waste my money on one of these , yeah I’ll fight the fire waving it over my engine , good old fashioned extinguisher at a distance for me
I'm interested to know why you think these are a waste of money?I have seen the demonstrations, read the science and in my opinion they are at least as good as a "normal" extinguisher and have the added bonus of not leaving the affected area covered in foam / residue etc
Expensive (very). £40-60 compared to £10-15 for a 1kg DP that we normally fit.
- Quick knock down but I'm unsure of its ability to prevent re-ignition of fire especially where flowing fuel may be involved.
- Short range ie user will need to be much closer to the fire than when using a conventional DP extinguisher.
- Weak discharge (oo'er missus) a demo shows how wind badly affects accuracy of FSS.
- No BS or CE EN certification. There'll be a requirement that extinguisher meets certain standards ie BS and/or CE EN.
At the end of the day it’s personal choice, like I said fighting a fire at a distance is paramount so that’s why I wouldn’t by one
- Quick knock down but I'm unsure of its ability to prevent re-ignition of fire especially where flowing fuel may be involved.
- Short range ie user will need to be much closer to the fire than when using a conventional DP extinguisher.
- Weak discharge (oo'er missus) a demo shows how wind badly affects accuracy of FSS.
- No BS or CE EN certification. There'll be a requirement that extinguisher meets certain standards ie BS and/or CE EN.
At the end of the day it’s personal choice, like I said fighting a fire at a distance is paramount so that’s why I wouldn’t by one
Edited by hoofa on Monday 18th January 17:15
hoofa said:
Expensive (very). £40-60 compared to £10-15 for a 1kg DP that we normally fit.
- Quick knock down but I'm unsure of its ability to prevent re-ignition of fire especially where flowing fuel may be involved.
- Short range ie user will need to be much closer to the fire than when using a conventional DP extinguisher.
- Weak discharge (oo'er missus) a demo shows how wind badly affects accuracy of FSS.
- No BS or CE EN certification. There'll be a requirement that extinguisher meets certain standards ie BS and/or CE EN.
At the end of the day it’s personal choice, like I said fighting a fire at a distance is paramount so that’s why I wouldn’t by one
Thanks, was not being critical, just curious, I carry a 1kg DP extinguisher and a FireStick, all my cars always have a DP extinguisher in them, touch wood never needed to use them but its a small price to pay for peace of mind- Quick knock down but I'm unsure of its ability to prevent re-ignition of fire especially where flowing fuel may be involved.
- Short range ie user will need to be much closer to the fire than when using a conventional DP extinguisher.
- Weak discharge (oo'er missus) a demo shows how wind badly affects accuracy of FSS.
- No BS or CE EN certification. There'll be a requirement that extinguisher meets certain standards ie BS and/or CE EN.
At the end of the day it’s personal choice, like I said fighting a fire at a distance is paramount so that’s why I wouldn’t by one
Edited by hoofa on Monday 18th January 17:15
ADW67 said:
I'm interested to know why you think these are a waste of money?
I have seen the demonstrations, read the science and in my opinion they are at least as good as a "normal" extinguisher and have the added bonus of not leaving the affected area covered in foam / residue etc
It looks as if it works by displacing the air so that the flames suffocate, much like a CO2 extinguisher. The demos look great in still air, with a shell that is already burned out and with a small amount of petrol almost burned up before you try the fire stick. I don't see anything absorbing heat or coating the burning surfaces to prevent reignition. AFFF is very effective at both of these.I have seen the demonstrations, read the science and in my opinion they are at least as good as a "normal" extinguisher and have the added bonus of not leaving the affected area covered in foam / residue etc
GreenV8S said:
ADW67 said:
I'm interested to know why you think these are a waste of money?
I have seen the demonstrations, read the science and in my opinion they are at least as good as a "normal" extinguisher and have the added bonus of not leaving the affected area covered in foam / residue etc
It looks as if it works by displacing the air so that the flames suffocate, much like a CO2 extinguisher. The demos look great in still air, with a shell that is already burned out and with a small amount of petrol almost burned up before you try the fire stick. I don't see anything absorbing heat or coating the burning surfaces to prevent reignition. AFFF is very effective at both of these.I have seen the demonstrations, read the science and in my opinion they are at least as good as a "normal" extinguisher and have the added bonus of not leaving the affected area covered in foam / residue etc
Sure, they had a vested interest to explain the chemistry/sell the product - but it made sense to us. The smoke/vapours released by the Fire Stick chemically removes O2 from the atmosphere and with one part of the Fire Triangle removed, the blaze ceases.
I'd agree that in terms of extinguishing from a distance you'd have some issues. The advice was to roll the 'activated' Stick under the car to tackle an engine bay fire. The bodywork & bonnet helps to contain the 'active' vapours around the fire seat.
Whilst there is no cooling function, unlike powder or foam extinguishers, engine components/wiring were unaffected by the vapours, so it was not a major undertaking to get the car functioning again.
Hard to determine how it would cope with a fuel fire where the fuel pump had not shut off?
Nick
nawarne said:
he smoke/vapours released by the Fire Stick chemically removes O2 from the atmosphere and with one part of the Fire Triangle removed, the blaze ceases.
In other words, it's like a small capacity and rather low flow rate CO2 extinguisher. I wouldn't expect much from it, but if the car was on fire and that was all I had, I'd give it a try.I got one over christmas (100 seconds) as it seemed like a better compact solution than the 1kg car extinguisher.
It weighs less than half of the extinguisher, fits better in the glove box (or wherever you want to put it) and lasts 10x longer.
I am sure that there are fire extinguisher options that would have a better chance of saving the car, stopping re-ignition, reducing heat etc..., but most of those would be designed to be fixed in place at a track or fire point or somewhere you might expect a fire to happen on occasion. I wouldn't fancy, however, lugging them around on a daily basis in the boot.
Is it a waste of money? I don't see how it could be, £100 maximum to save your pride and joy and your life?
Are there cheaper options? Yes
So i guess the better question is, "what is better value for money?" It would be interesting to see someone do a real world comparison to answer it.
It weighs less than half of the extinguisher, fits better in the glove box (or wherever you want to put it) and lasts 10x longer.
I am sure that there are fire extinguisher options that would have a better chance of saving the car, stopping re-ignition, reducing heat etc..., but most of those would be designed to be fixed in place at a track or fire point or somewhere you might expect a fire to happen on occasion. I wouldn't fancy, however, lugging them around on a daily basis in the boot.
Is it a waste of money? I don't see how it could be, £100 maximum to save your pride and joy and your life?
Are there cheaper options? Yes
So i guess the better question is, "what is better value for money?" It would be interesting to see someone do a real world comparison to answer it.
8Speed said:
Penelope Stopit said:
User has a very limited lifespan if close to a petrol fire
I'll try and remember that should the case arise.
Have not seen one but this settled it,
hoofa said:
Expensive (very). £40-60 compared to £10-15 for a 1kg DP that we normally fit.
- Quick knock down but I'm unsure of its ability to prevent re-ignition of fire especially where flowing fuel may be involved.
- Short range ie user will need to be much closer to the fire than when using a conventional DP extinguisher.
- Weak discharge (oo'er missus) a demo shows how wind badly affects accuracy of FSS.
- No BS or CE EN certification. There'll be a requirement that extinguisher meets certain standards ie BS and/or CE EN.
At the end of the day it’s personal choice, like I said fighting a fire at a distance is paramount so that’s why I wouldn’t by one
saved me from studying, can't understand anyone wanting to be near a fire- Quick knock down but I'm unsure of its ability to prevent re-ignition of fire especially where flowing fuel may be involved.
- Short range ie user will need to be much closer to the fire than when using a conventional DP extinguisher.
- Weak discharge (oo'er missus) a demo shows how wind badly affects accuracy of FSS.
- No BS or CE EN certification. There'll be a requirement that extinguisher meets certain standards ie BS and/or CE EN.
At the end of the day it’s personal choice, like I said fighting a fire at a distance is paramount so that’s why I wouldn’t by one
8Speed said:
Penelope Stopit said:
saved me from studying, can't understand anyone wanting to be near a fire
It's a strange compulsion I'm told!
Anyway, I'm hedging my bets
Picturing a TVR on fire, owner charges out to the front of the car and throws something at it followed by giving it a good jetting
The scene could be used in a comedy Vietnam movie, throws in a grenade and follows up with a flame thrower
8Speed said:
It's a strange compulsion I'm told!
Anyway, I'm hedging my bets & I've got both types of extinguisher.
I'd add a fire blanket as well ...............Anyway, I'm hedging my bets & I've got both types of extinguisher.
https://firetexx.eu/products/car-fire-blanket/
Edited by lancepar on Tuesday 26th January 17:01
lancepar said:
8Speed said:
It's a strange compulsion I'm told!
Anyway, I'm hedging my bets & I've got both types of extinguisher.
I'd add a fire blanket as well ...............Anyway, I'm hedging my bets & I've got both types of extinguisher.
https://firetexx.eu/products/car-fire-blanket/
Edited by lancepar on Tuesday 26th January 17:01
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