Ban on petrol/diesel cars brought forward!!
Discussion
They aren't banning petrol/diesel cars, they are banning new fossil fuel cars being sold. Existing cars will still be legal. If anything the value of cars like TVRs may increase as they become rarer.
The horse was the mode of transport before cars appeared, they are still around, all that happened is their use changed, they became a leisure transport.
Whatever we think, the electric car (or similar) is coming, it's just the timing. Governments can influence the timing, but what will make more impact is cost. Current projections expect the cost of an electric car to drop below that of an equivalent petrol car in about 2022, as soon as that happens Joe Public will swap in droves.
Will I miss the sound of my TVR, no, I don't plan to sell it. However the acceleration of many electric saloon cars is already equal to a TVR, so plenty to look forward to there.
The horse was the mode of transport before cars appeared, they are still around, all that happened is their use changed, they became a leisure transport.
Whatever we think, the electric car (or similar) is coming, it's just the timing. Governments can influence the timing, but what will make more impact is cost. Current projections expect the cost of an electric car to drop below that of an equivalent petrol car in about 2022, as soon as that happens Joe Public will swap in droves.
Will I miss the sound of my TVR, no, I don't plan to sell it. However the acceleration of many electric saloon cars is already equal to a TVR, so plenty to look forward to there.
If the ban goes ahead in 2030/35 it will only apply to new petrol/diesel cars so existing cars will be okay. But for how long? The petrol companies will see a huge drop in income over the next 20 years so will they continue to bother producing petrol and diesel after, say, 2040 as the demand all but disappears? Even if they do, which I very much doubt, the costs to produce it will become prohibitive unless they sell petrol and diesel at very high prices. But with everyone aiming for 2050 for zero carbon emissions, I think Greta will call time on the internal combustion engine as we know it today. If a hydrogen system can be mass produced at a relative cost then there is still hope.
Zeb74 said:
At the beginning of the 20th century, drivers were buying gasoline in pharmacies...
When most of cars will use the electricity, it will more and more difficult to find gas stations and we will have to buy it in DIY-stores in 5 litres bottles :-)
My Sagaris burns more than 5 litres in a return trip to B&Q When most of cars will use the electricity, it will more and more difficult to find gas stations and we will have to buy it in DIY-stores in 5 litres bottles :-)
pcameron said:
Will I miss the sound of my TVR, no, I don't plan to sell it. However the acceleration of many electric saloon cars is already equal to a TVR, so plenty to look forward to there.
Wont sell mine either.Had a couple of offers coming from the 'New World' but she's staying with me.
Electrics are fun though.
i3S on skinny tyres.
PuffsBack said:
Zeb74 said:
At the beginning of the 20th century, drivers were buying gasoline in pharmacies...
When most of cars will use the electricity, it will more and more difficult to find gas stations and we will have to buy it in DIY-stores in 5 litres bottles :-)
My Sagaris burns more than 5 litres in a return trip to B&Q When most of cars will use the electricity, it will more and more difficult to find gas stations and we will have to buy it in DIY-stores in 5 litres bottles :-)
By 2030 they’ll be doing diy leccy conversions on eBay for our old fuel burners....., (probably from Romania).
[quote=DVR V8]My thoughts on this are petrol stations may be phased out gradually between 2050 and 2080. So between now and then plan to run the Griff as long as possible. Spares are going to be the biggest problem from 2050 not fuel. Also over the next 15 years there will be lots of companies appearing converting our sports cars and many other makes to full electric from probably 20k.
A electric TVR!!! Really!!
A electric TVR!!! Really!!
KSV]VR V8 said:
My thoughts on this are petrol stations may be phased out gradually between 2050 and 2080. So between now and then plan to run the Griff as long as possible. Spares are going to be the biggest problem from 2050 not fuel. Also over the next 15 years there will be lots of companies appearing converting our sports cars and many other makes to full electric from probably 20k.
A electric TVR!!! Really!!
Someone has already converted a Tuscan (article in a recent issue of Sprint magazine), others will follow. Below the legal speed limit an electric car accelerates better than a petrol car, so a converted TVR could be very interesting!A electric TVR!!! Really!!
phazed said:
My old 4.6 rangie laughs at your sag!
By 2030 they’ll be doing diy leccy conversions on eBay for our old fuel burners....., (probably from Romania).
LOL! - Yep I will give you that. Bet it makes my Sag look like a VW Polo Bluemotion in comparison By 2030 they’ll be doing diy leccy conversions on eBay for our old fuel burners....., (probably from Romania).
Edited by PuffsBack on Tuesday 17th November 10:46
Just 9 years away and we cannot buy a new petrol engine car.
Sounds like a tough target.
Expensive and for a 300 mile round trip in one day, allow enough time for 2 recharges.
A new small Honda electric car now; £26,000 and range 130 miles.
Ford Fiesta petrol - £14,000 and range 820 miles.
33,000,000 passenger cars now on UK roads.
170,000 electric cars now on UK roads.
At motorway service areas, will hundreds of electric car drivers have to wait for a long time in queues, waiting for a charger to becomes available?
There seem to be so many questions.
If you have not seen it, there is a video about a 600 bhp electric VW Beetle, built in Wales (not far from TVR).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DXGKt8sK8CQ
It doesn't apply to commercial vehicles, or motorcycles. Plenty of diesel and petrol use after 2030, in fact it may get relatively cheaper as the tax burden gets switched to the cash cow that will be full electric car owners. Got to make up for the big drop in income from duty on fuel somehow!
Hmmm .... electric cars .....
You drive to an airport, maybe 50-100 miles, park up your electric car and fly long haul for a holiday. When you return after 2 or 3 weeks, probably very early in the morning and lacking sleep, will your electric car have enough power to get you home? Even if you can find an available charging point, how long will you have to wait or be prepared to wait to get enough battery power to drive home?
There has to be an amazing change in the practicality of charging the batteries for me to even think about an electric car.
Now what about hydrogen power .......?
You drive to an airport, maybe 50-100 miles, park up your electric car and fly long haul for a holiday. When you return after 2 or 3 weeks, probably very early in the morning and lacking sleep, will your electric car have enough power to get you home? Even if you can find an available charging point, how long will you have to wait or be prepared to wait to get enough battery power to drive home?
There has to be an amazing change in the practicality of charging the batteries for me to even think about an electric car.
Now what about hydrogen power .......?
the whole "lets all drive an electric vehicle" philosophy is fundamentally flawed; from the lack of current charging points, number of charging points which must be installed per week in order to satisfy this proposed scenario. Can the current UK infrastructure actually supply this increased power demand? where is this additional power coming from? solar/ wind/ tidal/ hamsters and cheese? ....nuclear? (fossil fuels..)
not to mention the limiting range of current technology, battery life after 10 years, mining of nasties like lithium etc etc, need i go on?
No wonder the current UK government are spouting this off now; they wont be the fall guys explaining why it hasn't been installed by the proposed deadline
not to mention the limiting range of current technology, battery life after 10 years, mining of nasties like lithium etc etc, need i go on?
No wonder the current UK government are spouting this off now; they wont be the fall guys explaining why it hasn't been installed by the proposed deadline
brownspeed said:
the whole "lets all drive an electric vehicle" philosophy is fundamentally flawed; from the lack of current charging points, number of charging points which must be installed per week in order to satisfy this proposed scenario. Can the current UK infrastructure actually supply this increased power demand? where is this additional power coming from? solar/ wind/ tidal/ hamsters and cheese? ....nuclear? (fossil fuels..)
not to mention the limiting range of current technology, battery life after 10 years, mining of nasties like lithium etc etc, need i go on?
No wonder the current UK government are spouting this off now; they wont be the fall guys explaining why it hasn't been installed by the proposed deadline
Totally agree with the above post and always thought that electric and fossil fuel cars could live side by side.not to mention the limiting range of current technology, battery life after 10 years, mining of nasties like lithium etc etc, need i go on?
No wonder the current UK government are spouting this off now; they wont be the fall guys explaining why it hasn't been installed by the proposed deadline
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