TVR's and the London ULEZ Charge
Discussion
According to TFL's website in order to be exempt from their £12.50 per day charge your car has to meet the ULEZ standard which, for TVR's, is
Euro 4 (NOx) for petrol cars, vans, minibuses and other specialist vehicles
Euro 4 became mandatory for all new cars in 2005 and light vans in 2006
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emissio...
I put my registration number into their vehicle checker and it came back that according to their records it was in breach of this standard and I'd have to pay. If I want to dispute this I have to send in my V5c and wait. My car is a late 2003 T-Car.
As the Euro standards had been about since 1992 surely TVR were complying with them by the 2000's? TFL say you can send in a letter from the manufacturer stating that your car meets their standard but obviously thats a non-starter with a TVR.
Anybody else enquired about this?
Euro 4 (NOx) for petrol cars, vans, minibuses and other specialist vehicles
Euro 4 became mandatory for all new cars in 2005 and light vans in 2006
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emissio...
I put my registration number into their vehicle checker and it came back that according to their records it was in breach of this standard and I'd have to pay. If I want to dispute this I have to send in my V5c and wait. My car is a late 2003 T-Car.
As the Euro standards had been about since 1992 surely TVR were complying with them by the 2000's? TFL say you can send in a letter from the manufacturer stating that your car meets their standard but obviously thats a non-starter with a TVR.
Anybody else enquired about this?
I believe your car would have met the Euro 3 standard for NOx which was below 0.15g/km. Euro 4 is below 0.08g/km.
There is a company called cambustion which mskes NOx analysers but it is unlikely that even if your car was under that level, that TFl would accept the evidence. Best bet is to try to contact current TVR company to see if they have any legacy data on your car.
Look on the bright side - at least you can still drive in London. The proposal for Edinburgh as I understand it is that the centre will be a no go area for Euro 3 or earlier petrol cars, full stop.
There is a company called cambustion which mskes NOx analysers but it is unlikely that even if your car was under that level, that TFl would accept the evidence. Best bet is to try to contact current TVR company to see if they have any legacy data on your car.
Look on the bright side - at least you can still drive in London. The proposal for Edinburgh as I understand it is that the centre will be a no go area for Euro 3 or earlier petrol cars, full stop.
The reality is that as these things become more widespread there will be an increasing amount of places where we can't go, at least not without paying extra charges.
Many may say, "doesn't matter, I don't want to drive in London/Bristol/Birmingham etc anyway", which is fine unless you happen to live in one of these places. In which case you're looking at £12.50 to take the car off the drive or £25 for a weekend away. It's quite galling to contemplate a surcharge to drive in my case less than a mile to the M4 in order to get out of the city.
But, that's the reality. It will only get worse unless we start standing up for ourselves, but without organisation and representation it's just a handful of luddites howling at the moon. You wonder what owner's clubs are for, but ours doesn't seem at all bothered about it.
The AGM is at the end of next month.
Many may say, "doesn't matter, I don't want to drive in London/Bristol/Birmingham etc anyway", which is fine unless you happen to live in one of these places. In which case you're looking at £12.50 to take the car off the drive or £25 for a weekend away. It's quite galling to contemplate a surcharge to drive in my case less than a mile to the M4 in order to get out of the city.
But, that's the reality. It will only get worse unless we start standing up for ourselves, but without organisation and representation it's just a handful of luddites howling at the moon. You wonder what owner's clubs are for, but ours doesn't seem at all bothered about it.
The AGM is at the end of next month.
I would be amazed if Mayor Khan doesn’t extend the ULEZ outto the current LEZ boundary in the not to distant future.
Central government are intent on banning traditional engines despite the huge environmental impact of manufacture and the same on electricity generation, so a simple tweaking of the rules and timescales for ULEZ is a strong certainty in my view.
Central government are intent on banning traditional engines despite the huge environmental impact of manufacture and the same on electricity generation, so a simple tweaking of the rules and timescales for ULEZ is a strong certainty in my view.
MonkeyJez said:
Just checked my 2006 registered Sag on the TfL website and it's states there is no ULEZ charge due. Just lucky I guess!
Same for mine 
The reason being I believe is that all cars sold after 2005 had to be Euro 4 compliant by law....
Edited by Englishman on Friday 21st February 09:22
Englishman said:
Same for mine
The reason being I believe is that all cars sold after 2005 had to be Euro 4 compliant by law....
LOL so either TVR did a huge amount of regulatory work to make the engine Euro 4 compliant and get all the necessary paperwork signed off. Or the website checks date of registration and if post 2006 = passThe reason being I believe is that all cars sold after 2005 had to be Euro 4 compliant by law....
Edited by Englishman on Friday 21st February 09:22
Now let me think which is most likely
N7GTX said:
Car tax based on CO2 figures of over 225g/km changed on the 23rd March 2006. So identical cars just a day apart will pay almost double in road tax after this date. Made sure my X5 was registered before this date.
Might explain the difference for Sag owners.
Same here - I had a Disco 3 registered on the 19th of March 2006 Might explain the difference for Sag owners.
PuffsBack said:
N7GTX said:
Car tax based on CO2 figures of over 225g/km changed on the 23rd March 2006. So identical cars just a day apart will pay almost double in road tax after this date. Made sure my X5 was registered before this date.
Might explain the difference for Sag owners.
Same here - I had a Disco 3 registered on the 19th of March 2006 Might explain the difference for Sag owners.
mk1fan said:
The regs are that a PETROL car needs to be Euro 4 or better AND be 2005 or newer/younger. There are mistakes being made though 
and some lucky people are getting exemptions on older cars 
Suni is exempt. Tamy is not. Both are Euro 4 on the V5.
No, this is wrong, I think. and some lucky people are getting exemptions on older cars Suni is exempt. Tamy is not. Both are Euro 4 on the V5.
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emissio...
My understanding of the regs are that petrol cars must be Euro IV (4). End of. My 2002 TT was exempt. Same engine as a 2006 car. My 2004 Saab 9-3 wasn't, then they fixed the online checker a little bit and it was. The online checker is crap. This is well documented.
Another example of the general s
teness of the TFL checker - my Chimaera is apparently subject to the LEZ (NOT the same as the ULEZ) - this has been in existence since 2008 and applies only to commercial vehicles. Do not take the TFL checker as gospel. It would be incredible for any of the late Wheeler-era TVRs to be compliant except through such errors, which will eventually be ironed out. I'm going out on a limb here but I'd be amazed to find that TVR did the R&D to develop either the AJP8 or S6 engine to Euro IV spec, and I'm pretty confident that nobody's developed filters etc to make them compliant, put them through the necessary approvals, fitted them to cars and had them certified either. The cars are not compliant, and the best you can hope for is a waiver on your first offence.
Pre-1981 cars will be exempt from 2021 on the 40 year historics rule, the rest of us are stuffed - in London, and wherever else determines to bring in such clean air zones based on Euro IV specs.
Edited by 2gins on Friday 21st February 21:21
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