kit car
Author
Discussion

tvrboy55

Original Poster:

185 posts

199 months

Sunday 29th September 2013
quotequote all
is tvr's are kit cars. the reason i'm asking is, i've seen photos and read topic's that you can take the body off, take the engine off, and strip it to bear chassis, and put it all back together again. that seams like a kit car to me, or am i mistaken.

magpies

5,203 posts

211 months

Sunday 29th September 2013
quotequote all
Very mistaken

they were always sold as complete vehicles.

Just happens to have separate chassis and body and made (mostly) from mainstream manufacturers components for the engine/transmission brakes etc.

Number 7

4,113 posts

291 months

Sunday 29th September 2013
quotequote all
magpies said:
Very mistaken

they were always sold as complete vehicles.
No they weren't. Check your history.

Mr Jenks

1,207 posts

294 months

Sunday 29th September 2013
quotequote all
I understood that the first TVR`s were actually sold as kit cars, but only a few were ever sold allbeit not as we know a TVR today. Somebody more aware than myself is welcome to correct me, but I dont think that they were sold as kits post Grantura days.

Steffan

10,362 posts

257 months

Sunday 29th September 2013
quotequote all
Mr Jenks said:
I understood that the first TVR`s were actually sold as kit cars, but only a few were ever sold allbeit not as we know a TVR today. Somebody more aware than myself is welcome to correct me, but I dont think that they were sold as kits post Grantura days.
I am old enough to remember the original TVR's (built my first kit car in 1963) and they were definitely offered as kit cars at that time. However that ceased at sometime in the late 1960's I think and the great bulk of TVR;s were therefore never kit cars.

BuzzBillsberry

1,306 posts

260 months

Sunday 29th September 2013
quotequote all
TVR are Definitely NOT a kit car. I've raced, hill climbed,sprinted built and developed kit cars mainly Westfield's and currently own a TVR powered V8 Westfield SEiGHT which was a factory built car in 2001 and cost £28,650 new, i didn't buy it new I picked it up in 2004

A kit car is as it described...buy a kit from a manufacturer and build it yourself. Apart from the Early days TVR never did this despite the cars having parts from many mainstream manufacturers.

HTH

Buzz

Steffan

10,362 posts

257 months

Sunday 29th September 2013
quotequote all
Quote from Wikipedia on TVR history

Approximately twenty of these chassis were built, although only three were purchased as a kit with the fiberglass bodyshell that Wilkinson had originally selected; these three cars used an RGS Atalanta body manufactured by special builder Richard G. Shattock. With the Atalanta body included in the kit, the car was named the "TVR Sports Saloon". The kit was first offered for sale in 1954 for £650. It was with this car that TVR first produced a brochure to advertise a product: it quoted some figures, such as the car's 1400 lb weight and 0-60 mph time of 13 seconds. It was also on the Sports Saloon that the first incarnation of TVR's badge appeared, designed by a young art student and Wilkinson's friend, John Cookson.

There were TVR kit cars but I have never seen one despite attending kit car shows and classic shows for 50 years and I would think are as rare as Rocking Horse poo. The mainstream TVR cars were all built by TVR.

BuzzBillsberry

1,306 posts

260 months

Sunday 29th September 2013
quotequote all
Mr Cerbera said:
OK It's Sunday, I'm bored and I thought that I would drift away from the Cerb Site and see what else there is on offer.

Then I come across this Dullo....

Do you really think, if you can turn this.....



into this....



by working on it in a garage, that you can classify it as a shoutKIT CAR then any education that you ever took part in was obviously wasted.

( I'm going back where I belong... getmecoat )
Lol!biggrin now get back over the Fence in to your own field;)

Buzz

glenrobbo

40,448 posts

179 months

Sunday 29th September 2013
quotequote all
OK, calm down now......

AFAIK, the "kit car" concept originated as a method of avoiding payment of new car purchase tax in the very early 60's.
Instead of taking delivery of a complete car from the supplier, the customer received a car in "kit" form exempt from the tax and assembled it himself,
Some kit cars were a basic shell with a few other parts, requiring a donor car to build the full vehicle, some were pretty much complete and only required an engine and wheels or suchlike.

A few very early TVRs were sold in kit form, but after the first few, they were all factory built.
Agreed the original Griffiths were exported to the US without engines, but not in kit form.
The fact that many owners chose to modify, upgrade or enhance their pride & joy does not make them a kit car.

Just my view.

HTH.

Edited by glenrobbo on Sunday 29th September 19:59

RAS

347 posts

279 months

Sunday 29th September 2013
quotequote all
TVR's, Lotus Elans and Europas we're available partly assembled in the 60's and partway through the 70's as they avoided purchase tax. This loophole was pluged with the introduction of VAT.

Steffan

10,362 posts

257 months

Sunday 29th September 2013
quotequote all
glenrobbo said:
OK, calm down now......

AFAIK, the "kit car" concept originated as a method of avoiding payment of new car purchase tax in the very early 60's.
Instead of taking delivery of a complete car from the supplier, the customer received a car in "kit" form exempt from the tax and assembled it himself,
Some kit cars were a basic shell with a few other parts, requiring a donor car to build the full vehicle, some were pretty much complete and only required an engine and wheels or suchlike. aaaa

A few very early TVRs were sold in kit form, but after the first few, they were all factory built.
Agreed the original Griffiths were exported to the US without engines, but not
The fact that many owners chose to modify, upgrade or enhance their pride & joy does not make them a kit car.
Correct in the detail there were TVR kit cars but not many and not for long. Trevor Wilkinson was a really interesting character and a genuinely gifted motor engineer. I think we all know the rest. The production of specialist sports cars in the UK is a very tricky and unforgiving business. As the demise of so many manufacturers over the years confirms.

RAS

347 posts

279 months

Sunday 29th September 2013
quotequote all
More on this thread including a photo of a Vixen "kit" being delivered: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Steffan

10,362 posts

257 months

Sunday 29th September 2013
quotequote all
RAS said:
More on this thread including a photo of a Vixen "kit" being delivered: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Very interesting and informative post I am really surprised they are still extent.

QBee

22,439 posts

173 months

Sunday 29th September 2013
quotequote all
At the TVRCC meet at Brooklands on May 12th a lot of us met the owner of, and saw the car, a 1969/70 Tuscan with a 2.9 Ford engine. He told me that he bought the car in kit form to save purchase tax and put it together, and still owns it, 43 years later. It has the early Cortina ban the bomb rear lights.

I have a photo on my computer and will post it if I can find it

jamieduff1981

8,092 posts

169 months

Monday 30th September 2013
quotequote all
I suspect someone is winding us up chaps smile

macdeb

8,756 posts

284 months

Monday 30th September 2013
quotequote all
tvrboy55 said:
is tvr's are kit cars.
confused

coetzeeh

2,889 posts

265 months

Monday 30th September 2013
quotequote all
jamieduff1981 said:
I suspect someone is winding us up chaps smile
+ 1 ...troll alert!!

TA14

14,332 posts

287 months

Monday 30th September 2013
quotequote all
Steffan said:
Correct in the detail there were TVR kit cars but not many and not for long.
25 years mind.

TA14

14,332 posts

287 months

Monday 30th September 2013
quotequote all
Steffan said:
There were TVR kit cars but I have never seen one despite attending kit car shows and classic shows for 50 years and I would think are as rare as Rocking Horse poo.
If you saw an M or a Vixen how would you know whether it was a kit?

bionicjim

473 posts

168 months

Monday 30th September 2013
quotequote all
Kevin Mcloud got it right with TVR's are reverse kit cars
You buy them complete and the take them selfs apart over time
Lol