New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 3)

New TVR still under wraps! (Vol. 3)

Author
Discussion

QBee

21,158 posts

147 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
QBee said:
Gazzab said:
QBee said:
Gazzab said:
Ouch. What’s the extra £9m of debt falling due? Repayment of a loan?
No - the loan would have shown in the accounts.
The implication is expenditure.
You’d have thought the expenditure would have assets to show for it or could it therefore be payment to directors for all the hard work :-)
I said "the implication" because all you can see on the balance sheet is a liability that has appeared in the year that is refected by a loss for the year.
A loss implies trading expenditure or similar, given that it has incurred a current liabilty,

I will go have a look at the rest of the accounts and report back
The notes to the accounts say that another group company has loaned TVR EV about £9 million in the year.
The movement in reserves suggests that this has been spent on something revenue in nature, not capital, and that is most likely development work or consultancy fees, I would have thought.

Gazzab

21,150 posts

285 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
Oh so let’s speculate. Gordon Murray? Battery tech? EV drivetrain mock up? Redesign of existing car?

crosseyedlion

2,188 posts

201 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
Gazzab said:
Ouch. What’s the extra £9m of debt falling due? Repayment of a loan?
Most of it seems to be down to this:

Whatever that includes....

Edited by crosseyedlion on Tuesday 2nd July 14:12

crosseyedlion

2,188 posts

201 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
Gazzab said:
Oh so let’s speculate. Gordon Murray? Battery tech? EV drivetrain mock up? Redesign of existing car?
I would suggest its whatever would keep the wheels turning for longest. Probably something EV related - presumably that'll lead to some R&D tax credits.

If I was a betting man I wouldn't put money on the companies existing in their current form this time next year though.

Viper201

7,939 posts

146 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
In the notes of TVR Automotive, there is equity investment of £9.1m.

Para 10 - They say that the Audacia bond issue successfully raised 'initial funds'. That amounts to £1.47m. Repayment is due on the 30th April 2025 plus 8.25% interest.

They have also confirmed that they will NOT be building the cars in Wales. That is the end of that saga once and for all. So all those years of whining about the Welsh Govt means nothing at all.

Para 3.3 says: "The company has designed a new luxury sports car, the Griffith, for production and assembly at a potential production facility identified in South of England adjacent to a race circuit."

The wording in these accounts is the same they used in previous accounts concerning the Wales factory. All the talk of potential equity investors is again the same old spiel as we have heard so many times before.

They seem to be going in reverse.

Para 14 - Auditors Information: "We were unable to obtain sufficient appropriate audit evidence to support the directors' assessment that the carrying amount of the intangible assets is not impaired." The intangible assets are £9.6m comprising intellectual property and capitalized vehicle development costs. Oh dearie me.


Edited by Viper201 on Tuesday 2nd July 16:22

Penrhyn

683 posts

101 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
It also says


The three directors have given personal guarantees against the loans.

The Three D Mucketeer

6,002 posts

230 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
I bet he's doing a Smolenski ..... Next thing will be the company in liquidation with the Administrators and the biggest creditors will be guess who ???? getmecoat

Viper201

7,939 posts

146 months

Tuesday
quotequote all
Penrhyn said:
It also says


The three directors have given personal guarantees against the loans.
Yes, and so have all the previous accounts too. wink

astonman

792 posts

213 months

Wednesday
quotequote all
I thought it was time to give an update.
Unfortunately,the much heralded New factory premises ( green house) , has not materialised.
So,we are having to make do with sheds.
The problem now,is that although the inclement weather is continuing, the courgette plants have out grown the sheds,so will have to fend for themselves in the open air.
TVR, don't even have undersize sheds to manufacture product,never mind a factory/ green house!

catfishdb

237 posts

172 months

Yesterday (00:43)
quotequote all
Now that is the kind of update I am looking forward to see.

Vegetables and all that!

You know, things that grow in the dirts.

BritishTvr450

80 posts

2 months

Yesterday (06:42)
quotequote all
astonman said:
I thought it was time to give an update.
Unfortunately,the much heralded New factory premises ( green house) , has not materialised.
So,we are having to make do with sheds.
The problem now,is that although the inclement weather is continuing, the courgette plants have out grown the sheds,so will have to fend for themselves in the open air.
TVR, don't even have undersize sheds to manufacture product,never mind a factory/ green house!
rofl
This is true.
They built many thousands of cars in undersized sheds so that’s no excuse.
That’s amused me more than it should thumbup

rev-erend

21,459 posts

287 months

Yesterday (14:34)
quotequote all
astonman said:
I thought it was time to give an update.
Unfortunately,the much heralded New factory premises ( green house) , has not materialised.
So,we are having to make do with sheds.
The problem now,is that although the inclement weather is continuing, the courgette plants have out grown the sheds,so will have to fend for themselves in the open air.
TVR, don't even have undersize sheds to manufacture product,never mind a factory/ green house!
At last this thread is back on track biggrin

phazed

21,893 posts

207 months

Yesterday (17:36)
quotequote all
Mrs phazed bought three plants from a store somewhere.

We’ve ignored them completely and I just noticed that they have grown…

Normally plants die at the rate of 100% in her hands so growing chillies must be easy!


The Three D Mucketeer

6,002 posts

230 months

Yesterday (18:30)
quotequote all
The secret is having the right tools for the job ........