Esc Cos prices
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I've been watching this closely for the last couple of years, with the intention of buying my parents' Monte off them (at market value) when the insurance became a viable prospect - should be the end of this year. 
Until then I am merely a named driver...
I think prices have flattened out because they are still a very desirable car. For the £15-£16k you'll spend on a relatively low mileage, well-maintained, later EsCos (big turbo), you could easily have an Evo VI, or your pick of endless Scoobies. The EsCos is a contemporary classic, and finding an unmolested one is a challenge - they seem to fetch a premium, too!
The EsCos (so far) represents the pinnacle of attainable Blue Oval performance - the RS200 is still silly money, and the RS500 is very rare. I believe you'll spend the same money on a mint, untouched EsCos as you would on a Stage 3 (330bhp) example. The latter would have had thousands spent on it to reach that spec. I would expect this to continue, more or less, until the Focus Cosworth is unveiled in a couple of years - and even then it will take a while for values to come down significantly. Did you know a good example Mk. 1 Escort RS2000 can fetch anywhere up to £10k, or £12k for an RS1600?
This is what last month's Rallye News (the RSOC mag) has to say about current EsCos values, which it says are currently static. It is based on private sales, and is used by the registrars to give valuations for insurance purposes:
Age.......Average.....Good......A1
92/93K....£7750.......£11,000...£12,500
94L.......£8500.......£11,750...£13,250
95M.......£9250.......£12,500...£14,000
96N.......£10,000.....£13,250...£14,750
96P.......£10,750.....£14,000...£15,500
Concours: max £25,000, regardless of age.
Average Minor body/interior wear & tear, sound mechanically, no major faults, MOT and some history.
Good Body and interior servicable - no major dents or scratches, good allround condition, FSH and MOT.
A1 Unmarked body & interior, no dents/scratches/interior wear, excellent wheels/tyres/brakes. FSH, documented history, MOT.
Mileage on all except concours is assumed at 12k p.a. for first 3 years, then 8k for 4th year, 6k p.a. after that. Add or subtract 2% of value for miles under or over the yearly average up to a max of 90k. E.g. add 2% + 2% for a 6 year old vehicle with 12k miles below average. Vehicles over 90k subtract 4% for every additional 6k.
I take it you are a current owner?
>> Edited by julianhj on Thursday 13th May 18:57
Until then I am merely a named driver... I think prices have flattened out because they are still a very desirable car. For the £15-£16k you'll spend on a relatively low mileage, well-maintained, later EsCos (big turbo), you could easily have an Evo VI, or your pick of endless Scoobies. The EsCos is a contemporary classic, and finding an unmolested one is a challenge - they seem to fetch a premium, too!
The EsCos (so far) represents the pinnacle of attainable Blue Oval performance - the RS200 is still silly money, and the RS500 is very rare. I believe you'll spend the same money on a mint, untouched EsCos as you would on a Stage 3 (330bhp) example. The latter would have had thousands spent on it to reach that spec. I would expect this to continue, more or less, until the Focus Cosworth is unveiled in a couple of years - and even then it will take a while for values to come down significantly. Did you know a good example Mk. 1 Escort RS2000 can fetch anywhere up to £10k, or £12k for an RS1600?
This is what last month's Rallye News (the RSOC mag) has to say about current EsCos values, which it says are currently static. It is based on private sales, and is used by the registrars to give valuations for insurance purposes:
Age.......Average.....Good......A1
92/93K....£7750.......£11,000...£12,500
94L.......£8500.......£11,750...£13,250
95M.......£9250.......£12,500...£14,000
96N.......£10,000.....£13,250...£14,750
96P.......£10,750.....£14,000...£15,500
Concours: max £25,000, regardless of age.
Average Minor body/interior wear & tear, sound mechanically, no major faults, MOT and some history.
Good Body and interior servicable - no major dents or scratches, good allround condition, FSH and MOT.
A1 Unmarked body & interior, no dents/scratches/interior wear, excellent wheels/tyres/brakes. FSH, documented history, MOT.
Mileage on all except concours is assumed at 12k p.a. for first 3 years, then 8k for 4th year, 6k p.a. after that. Add or subtract 2% of value for miles under or over the yearly average up to a max of 90k. E.g. add 2% + 2% for a 6 year old vehicle with 12k miles below average. Vehicles over 90k subtract 4% for every additional 6k.
I take it you are a current owner?
>> Edited by julianhj on Thursday 13th May 18:57
I've owned an unmolested 95 M (red) for a couple of years now. I fancy a change but its proving hard to find a succesor.
Scooby? the sti out performs the cos in every dept but that Taxi-like build quality and popularity puts me off. There is that lubily engine noise tho.
Evo6 looks and goes great but those running costs.
Leaving the rallybreads there are M3's, skylines...maybe even the RX8.
Its hard too choose when the cos still puts a smile on my face when i see/drive it and it hasent depreciated in two years!
I would be the first to sign up for the Focus cos but may need a zimmer by that time.
Scooby? the sti out performs the cos in every dept but that Taxi-like build quality and popularity puts me off. There is that lubily engine noise tho.
Evo6 looks and goes great but those running costs.
Leaving the rallybreads there are M3's, skylines...maybe even the RX8.
Its hard too choose when the cos still puts a smile on my face when i see/drive it and it hasent depreciated in two years!
I would be the first to sign up for the Focus cos but may need a zimmer by that time.
dogznob said:
I've owned an unmolested 95 M (red) for a couple of years now. I fancy a change but its proving hard to find a succesor.
Scooby? the sti out performs the cos in every dept but that Taxi-like build quality and popularity puts me off. There is that lubily engine noise tho.
Evo6 looks and goes great but those running costs.
Leaving the rallybreads there are M3's, skylines...maybe even the RX8.
Its hard too choose when the cos still puts a smile on my face when i see/drive it and it hasent depreciated in two years!
I would be the first to sign up for the Focus cos but may need a zimmer by that time.
I've weighed up the options, and will be getting the EsCos and putting a deposit down for the Focus Cos as soon as it's confirmed. My money is on a late 2006 release date...
Podie said:#
Friend of mine recently sold his N-reg, big turbo in concours condition (6k on the clock) for c£20k...
RSOC reckons top whack of £25k is possible for the very best. Until very recently there was an ongoing ad in Auto Trader for a white big turbo with delivery mileage. The dealer was asking list price for it (£27,995).
julianhj said:
Friend of mine recently sold his N-reg, big turbo in concours condition (6k on the clock) for c£20k...
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RSOC reckons top whack of £25k is possible for the very best. Until very recently there was an ongoing ad in Auto Trader for a white big turbo with delivery mileage. The dealer was asking list price for it (£27,995).
Just checked... went for 21k with 7k on the clock... black, 93 car with the big turbo...
Anyone know about the Alpha 3L GTV. Most of the reports i've read are mixed and the performance figures dont seem to match the spec. The interior is Lush
I've asked a couple of owners and they have raved about them, but im not sure they realy drive them and what they are comparing with.
Any more ideas for a replacemant until the Focus Cos appears? I need back seats and some kind of practicability. Preferably RWD or 4WD.
I've asked a couple of owners and they have raved about them, but im not sure they realy drive them and what they are comparing with.
Any more ideas for a replacemant until the Focus Cos appears? I need back seats and some kind of practicability. Preferably RWD or 4WD.
dogznob said:
Anyone know about the Alpha 3L GTV. Most of the reports i've read are mixed and the performance figures dont seem to match the spec. The interior is Lush
I've asked a couple of owners and they have raved about them, but im not sure they realy drive them and what they are comparing with.
Any more ideas for a replacemant until the Focus Cos appears? I need back seats and some kind of practicability. Preferably RWD or 4WD.
Buy and Old landie to take care of the back seats, 4 x4 and
Get a Lotus !!!!!!
h2dca said:
Buy and Old landie to take care of the back seats, 4 x4 and
Get a Lotus !!!!!!
Old landie, Lotus, whats the difference, both driven by middle aged, tweed wearing bufties with mesh driving gloves, bumpin their gums about ford drivers and boring everyone to death about the heritage of some Great British money pit... bet your other half drives the Lotus anyway...
bindit said:
Buy and Old landie to take care of the back seats, 4 x4 and
Get a Lotus !!!!!!
Old landie, Lotus, whats the difference, both driven by middle aged, tweed wearing bufties with mesh driving gloves, bumpin their gums about ford drivers and boring everyone to death about the heritage of some Great British money pit... bet your other half drives the Lotus anyway...
Jeez you guys are slow off the mark, I was expecting a bigger backlash
Ah yes the Great British Moneypit that errr (Sorry dogznob here I go again) gave us F1 Technology inc downforce, chassis design all these things utilised by Ford and of course on the Cosworth, the money pit also gave us the Lotus/Cortina among other things, while Lotus received the Cosworth engine to become F1 Champions for numerous years both technologies are still utilised today (Not bad for a money pit) so in essense I would suggest the precieve divide between the marques does not exist. As for bumping gums/heritage etc news to me but I am a firm believer in heritage and I would have assumed you would have been as well as the Cossie's roots go back to those Ford glory days of Roger Clark and the Ford Escort Mexico. Then again I may just be an old f*rt who's missus drives my car
By the way Dogznob watch out in the carpark next Tuesday as the missus will have the middle aged glove wearing car
Have a good weekend
bunman said:
Hi guys,a mate of mine is putting his white motorsport Escort cos for sale, its immaculate inside and out 39000 miles £15000 ono.Garaged and if it looks like rain he wont use it.Reason for sale is he is getting married.If anyone wants pics i can take some and send no probs.
Stick it on PassionFord and RSOC - price seems about right, depending on spec/provenence. Should go quickly if it's tidy.
At the end of the day there are some people who are set on a particular car, and others the 'best' that they can get for their cash regardless of brand and make.
Ask yourself what other car you could get for the same money and it's a big list of performance cars.
If prices are stable then there must be a relatively balanced supply vs demand curve. Clearly if the prices were higher potential buyers would move elsewhere and if they were cheaper there would be more buyers than cars. Sounds like a nice depreciation proof hobby to me.
Personally I see the Mk3 Cavalier Turbo at £3-£5K as a better price and similar performance, but it's not got the rally pedigree.
Note: I see this from a Cavalier Mk2 Obsession where there are members of the ownersclub who would pay silly money for a LOW milage 1.3 and others who see it as cheap (sub 700 quid) performance, and who would go else where if prices were higher.
Ask yourself what other car you could get for the same money and it's a big list of performance cars.
If prices are stable then there must be a relatively balanced supply vs demand curve. Clearly if the prices were higher potential buyers would move elsewhere and if they were cheaper there would be more buyers than cars. Sounds like a nice depreciation proof hobby to me.
Personally I see the Mk3 Cavalier Turbo at £3-£5K as a better price and similar performance, but it's not got the rally pedigree.
Note: I see this from a Cavalier Mk2 Obsession where there are members of the ownersclub who would pay silly money for a LOW milage 1.3 and others who see it as cheap (sub 700 quid) performance, and who would go else where if prices were higher.
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